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In this episode of The Turn On, Erica and Kenrya read from "Benefriends” by Chencia C. Higgins, then talk about dating within your friend group and their favorite restraints.
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Kenrya: Come here. Get off.
Erica: Welcome to this week's episode of The Turn On. We are going to read from “Benefriends,” by Chencia C. Higgins, written in 2019. So, sit back, relax and get your wine, get your weed, get your whatever you need and enjoy.
Kenrya: “Benefriends,” by Chencia C. Higgins.
Kenrya: I quickly unbuttoned my shirt and tossed it, along with my undershirt, onto the couch before kicking out of my canvas tennis shoes and sliding out of my jeans. When she reached behind her back and unhooked her bra, letting the material fall away from her body and expose herself to me, I almost choked on my tongue as I sucked in a mouthful of air. My sweet little Aisha. She was the nurturer in our group, the one who would send random messages to the group chats and make sure everyone had eaten lunch.
Kenrya: The one who always showed up with soup, tea, and homemade elderberry syrup whenever one of us gets sick. She was sweet, always had been, and at five feet, five inches, she was definitely little. But the woman standing in front of me was so much more than what I'd thought I'd always known. Her coppery brown skin looked smooth and soft, and my fingers twitched in anticipation.
Kenrya: The tips of her nipples were dusky and beaded, waiting for me to taste them, and the juncture of her thighs held a smooth, hairless palace that I hoped to play in. Seeing the curves I had actively avoided noticing exposed to me like this had my heart pounding hard. Anxious, I stood and quickly disrobed, dropping the last of my clothes into a haphazard pile on the floor near the sofa.
Kenrya: Then I stood there, mouth ajar as I observed the vision in front of me. Naked as the day she was born, Aisha stood confidently with her hands on her plush hips, and allowed me to get my fill of her beauty. And she was beautiful. Aisha was about three shades darker than my warm brown hue, but even in the low light from her ambient floor lamp, her skin glowed. The curves of her round body made my mouth water, and I wondered how I'd been around this fine ass woman for all these years and been unaware.
Kenrya: "Sit down," she commanded in an authoritative voice I didn't recognize, causing me to instantly take a step back, dropping down to her couch the moment the backs of my calves hit the cushions. My legs fell open naturally, and when her eyes fell to my lap and stayed there, my dick twitched of its own accord. She stalked toward me slowly, a lioness with eyes on her prey. When she reached me, she climbed into my lap and leaned into me, straddling my hips and crushing my dick between our bodies.
Kenrya: A hiss sounded low in my throat as she trailed the pointy tips of the painted nails on her right hand up my chest until she reached the base of my neck. My palms itched with the desire to put my hands on her, but I wasn't sure if I should, if she even wanted that. "Touch me." I didn't hesitate. Both hands came to her back, caressing the soft skin there before I was unable to help myself, and I gripped the round globes of her ass, massaging the cheeks indulgently. Her hips flexed in my lap, and suddenly the scent of her arousal engulfed my senses.
Kenrya: Shit, that hot musky aroma was calling to me. I wanted to taste her, to eat her pussy until she cried my name, and then climb inside of her and fuck the shit out of her right then, but this was her show. I told her I'd let her fuck me, and that meant I had to sit here and let her do her thing. Thankfully, I didn't have to wait too long. She leaned back and wrapped her short fingers around my dick. "I knew it, you have such a beautiful dick, Shad." Her eyes were between us as she murmured the compliment.
Kenrya: I felt my face warm and my dick harden to near granite in her palm simultaneously in response. "It's nice and long, just like you." My hips jerked forward involuntarily and my teeth grazed my lip as a groan slipped out of my mouth. Within seconds, she was pulling a condom from some unknown place, ripping it open with her teeth and sliding it onto my dick. Then she raised up one leg and angled my dick underneath her pussy, catching my eye before she slid down smoothly, impaling herself on me.
Kenrya: "Shit, Ish. Damn!" I swore as her wet warmth swallowed me whole and gripped me tight, and I dug my fingers into the flesh of her ass. Aisha's cushy walls were vibrating around my dick, and my head flopped back against the couch as I tried to get some control over myself. "Fuck, Shad. You feel so good." Not yet moving, she squeezed my dick with her pelvic muscles. Lifting my head, I met her eyes.
Kenrya: The low, lusty look in them impossibly turning me on even further. "Come on, girl," I gritted in a strained voice, "You supposed to be fucking me. Don't just sit on it, ride this dick." I couldn't help but punctuate my command with a sharp slap to one of her cheeks. Grinning, she gasped sensually, leaning into the sting instead of crying out against it. Digging her knees into the cushions on either side of my waist, she lifted and lowered her body above me, over and over again in a pace too slow for my liking.
Kenrya: Resisting the urge to grab her hips and assist with her momentum, I trailed my fingertips up and down her spine, causing her back to concave, which pushed her titties right into my face. Well, shit, that was the equivalent of dangling a steak in front of a starving dog. Bending my neck, I captured a nipple between my lips and licked and sucked on it before moving to the other one, tugging it gently with my teeth. Aisha moaned and leaned into me, damn near smothered me with her titties as she grabbed the sofa on either side of my neck and dropped her head into my shoulder.
Kenrya: Just as she started an insufferably slow grind in my lap, she faced me and began to lick and suck on my neck. Her tongue touched a spot that must have been above a direct line to my dick, because I thrust up into her unconsciously. What the hell was that? It felt like an involuntary reaction, like when I used to go to the doctor when I was a kid and he would tap my knee with that small rubber hammer. She licked again and I thrust a second time and then she covered the spot with her mouth and sucked hard as she ground down on me and flexed her pussy on my dick.
Kenrya: The three sensations happening concurrently were my undoing, and I hated to crest before her, but since she was running the show, I was helpless to stop myself. I pulled her hips down and thrust up until I was as deep inside of her as I could get in this position. "Ish, fuck!" Faintly, I register her keening cry over my own groan and release, but undoubtedly felt her began to jerk in my arms as she came as well, her pussy contracting on my dick so intensely it almost hurt.
Kenrya: I wrapped my arms tightly around her, holding her body securely to mine without any desire to let her go. We stayed that way for a few minutes, sitting in what would be silence if not for our labored breathing. My mind was racing a mile a minute. Aisha had single-handedly pulled my nut out of me all while in one position, and I was shook. No woman had ever ridden me to orgasm without my assistance from below and for my sweet little Aisha to have been the first? It almost felt wrong. Before I could fall too deep in the rabbit hole in my mind, Aisha lifted her head from my shoulder where she surely left a passion mark and smiled at me.
Kenrya: Her skin was dewy and her Afro was mashed on the side that had been up against my cheek, but that freshly fucked look only served to reignite the fire in my loins, and I felt myself begin to harden inside of her. Reflexively, my eyes tracked the movement as she traced her lips with her tongue before speaking. "I hope you didn't have any other plans for tonight." "Why is that?" As soon as the question left my mouth, she squeezed my dick with her pussy and I groaned. "Because you aren't leaving any time soon. Not until I've had my way with you."
Kenrya: My eyes fell to where we were still connected. "Uh, didn't you just have your way with me?" She twisted her lips in way that was somehow sultry and mischievous. "Oh, I have so many more ways that I plan to have you tonight." Then, she lifted up on her knees until I fell free from her, and climbed out of my lap. "Grab you a few bottles of water, then meet me in my bedroom." She spun on her heel, and walked out of the room, the thick cheeks of her ass jiggling with each step.
Erica: So, welcome back. That was “Benefriends” by Chencia C. Higgins, written in 2019. Kenrya, thank you for that lovely reading.
Kenrya: You're welcome.
Erica: All righty. So, how about you provide a little synopsis of the story?
Kenrya: So yeah, in “Benefriends,” we first meet our protagonist, who is Shad, which is interesting for us, because most of the books that we do on the show actually don't have a male as the lead protagonist. We meet Shad early on, and we find out that he's in this little tight friend group, and there's like six of them and they all roll together. And in that group is Aisha, and Shad and Aisha have known each other since they were 13. And there's this one night where Aisha basically confides in him that she hasn't had sex in a while, and she says that she has a high sex drive, and that's just driving her crazy. And so Shad basically volunteers his dick, and so the scene that I just read is the first time that they have sex. So...
Erica: And hijinks ensues...
Kenrya: Exactly. Well, it definitely do.
Erica: Okay, so this is our classic friends with benefits trope, right? It's a friends to lovers.
Kenrya: Friends to lovers. Yeah.
Erica: Sorry, my bad.
Kenrya: But it does start as a friends with benefits kind of a situation, for sure.
Erica: Okay, yeah. So, classic friends to lovers trope. We kind of touched on the friends to lovers situation, but one of the things that we talked about were... One of the things we've talked about is if we've done the friends to lovers thing. I think we both said we have?
Kenrya: Yeah, I mean, I did, but it never... It was never lasting. It was like friends, people who was fucking, and then friends again.
Erica: So, okay, yeah. Because that was going to be one of my questions. Has it ever not been... the relationship not been ruined from fucking?
Kenrya: Not for me. No. I mean, I say that. It's not as if I've done it a lot. I think we definitely talked about this. I've done it... I think I've maybe fucked three or four of my friends over the course of my [crosstalk 00:12:21]-
Erica: Well, all right.
Kenrya: Maybe three. But no, it didn't, it went right back to being friends after we did it. One of those situations was definitely a one-night stand and we understood it to be that from the beginning.
Erica: Mm-hmm (affirmative). So a true Shad and Aisha story? Well-
Kenrya: Well, kind of. Yeah. Without spoiling anything.
Erica: No, we spoiled it right there, okay. Sorry.
Kenrya: And then one was a... Oh, he was in my ear for a long time and I had a dude. And then, once I got out my relationship...
Kenrya: Yeah, you know how they do. So then I got sucked in, because I was free, kind of mostly. And yeah, it never really gelled. I was very young, and a part of me really was like, "Well, this person is my friend, we should try to make this turn into a relationship," but it just never really gelled and-
Erica: Didn't quite curl over?
Kenrya: ... so we just... Yeah, so we were just friends and are still friends, shit.
Erica: Well, that's good.
Kenrya: How about you?
Erica: I've had sex with friends, I've said that before. Now, I'm doing some like, digger deeping... deeper digging, and now that I'm thinking about it, I don't think I mentioned this before, but there is this guy that we are friends, we've had sex in the past. And it's like, "Nigga, this ain't going to turn into anything." Like-
Kenrya: Was that that nigga that I didn't know for the longest time that y'all was fucking? And you said it all matter of factly like I just should have known?
Erica: Oh, shit. That's another one. Girl, this pussy be forgetting. This pussy be forgetting.
Kenrya: Because I was like, "Really?" I was so proud of you having this friendship with this person. Nah, y'all are fucking.
Erica: No, but he's cool people. I mean it, we fucked once, but it was like, "All right, back to normal." Yeah. Oh my God. See, see? Look, I be forgetting. I think we asked that question, "How many people have you had sex with?" in our-
Kenrya: I don't think we have.
Erica: We had this in your sex journey, in this-
Kenrya: Oh, we've asked the other people.
Erica: ... your sex life. Yeah.
Kenrya: But we've never answered that question.
Erica: Yeah, because I remember when you asked it, I cackled hard. I was like...
Kenrya: Bitch, who knows?
Erica: Yeah, some of that shit ain't memorable. You know?
Kenrya: I used to count. I wonder at what point I stopped.
Erica: Mm-mm (negative).
Kenrya: I definitely used to. But also I was young and had dumb ass niggas who liked to ask that question.
Erica: Yeah, uh-huh (affirmative).
Kenrya: Y'all never like to answer. What did J. Cole say? Even though J. Cole is ugh. You know you got to multiply by three or some other fuck shit that he said.
Erica: Honey, let me tell you something. I've never pushed a child out this pussy, therefore, I ain't never had sex. I just really know how to suck dick, really good. Because I-
Kenrya: But there's no proof.
Erica: ... I've learned by reading books. There's no proof.
Erica: They say the body generates new cells every 60 days or whatever, so. This pussy-
Kenrya: Your cells have been untouched.
Erica: Yeah, this pussy new. This pussy is new-ew-ew. So, anyway. So him, but I have another friend that's like, "Nah, we're good." Because it was definitely one of them like, moments of weakness. Fuck, what is wrong with my mouth today? One of those moments of weaknesses, where it was just like, I really need some dick, you're around. And niggas gonna nig!
Kenrya: Yeah, I mean, shit. If you give them the opportunity.
Erica: Yeah, niggas gonna nig, and so, and I think you said this. This is why people don't like their friends having... Their partners having friendships of the other sex. Because they all think back-
Kenrya: If they're heterosexual, yeah.
Erica: Yeah. Thank you. Because they all think back to those relationships where either they were or they had a friend that was always like, "Look, in case of emergency, break this glass." But yeah, I don't give a fuck. Because I'm like, "You're going to fuck somebody, you're going to fuck somebody."
Kenrya: And that's what it really comes down to, right? Can I trust you enough to respect our relationship and not do no shit that's outside of the bounds of what we've agreed upon?
Erica: Yeah. Yep, period.
Kenrya: Whether it's with your homegirl or your homeboy, or with a stranger.
Erica: Mm-hmm (affirmative), so yeah. I don't think I recalled these two relationships, and maybe it's because the sex... the friendship remained even after the sex. That like-
Kenrya: That bloomed to much larger than that moment of whatever.
Erica: Yeah, yeah. I mean, I do have a couple friends that come to mind that were purely fuck buddies. And we are still friends now, but we're still really good friends now, but the sex was very much looming in our space.
Kenrya: So you never had anybody who y'all were friends, and then y'all had sex and then it was awkward, and then y'all just kind of drifted apart?
Erica: Maybe. I don't think so. I don't think so. Because again, to me, sex is just sex. You know? And so, if it got awkward and we pulled apart, it would have been on his end. Just because-
Kenrya: You don't give a fuck.
Erica: ... I don't give a fuck unless it was so fucking horrible, or you like some weird shit.
Kenrya: I don't know what's weird.
Erica: Like, shoot cream cheese out your ears when you come or something, and I'll be like, "Okay, this is weird. I've got to go."
Kenrya: Or you could eat cream cheese, I don't know.
Erica: Let's not talk about cheese and fucking, please?
Erica: Just for the culture. Whatever that means. Okay, so Shad is a-
Kenrya: Isn't that Bow Wow's name?
Erica: Shad, yeah.
Kenrya: Ain't that the same shit?
Erica: Yeah, that is Shad. Okay, so-
Kenrya: Every time I would read it in here, I'd be like...
Erica: Lil' Bow Wow? This nigga writing books? Yeah, okay. So, Shad is a music writer? Music journalist?
Erica: I don't know the appropriate terms.
Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative), yep. Music journalist.
Erica: He writes words about music, and this story totally reminded me of when you were living in New York, and you'd be like, "Come on, I got a random." I'm like, "Okay."
Kenrya: We would pop up everywhere. I've been to some amazing... and I wasn't even a music writer. But I have absolutely been to a million amazing little small room sets and all kinds of shit.
Erica: Yeah, it's dope as hell. I mean, that just makes me wistfully think about... Did I use that term right? Wistfully-
Kenrya: You ain't finished yet.
Erica: Bitch, anyway.
Erica: Wistfully think about when we were two young hot girls, two little ponies. Two little My Little Ponies, because obviously, this bitch has debunked my thoughts of being a stallion. Two little My Little Ponies, racing through the streets of New York, just being hoes, putting miles on these pussies.
Kenrya: We had a lot of fun.
Erica: It was. It was. And does that still happen? I mean, I guess it does still happen in the industry, where people get invited to free shit, and that kind of thing.
Kenrya: Oh, yeah. I mean, that's kind of how it works, right? You invite media folks like me to your shit in hopes that I'll write about it and talk about it, and whatever. Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Erica: But I mean, so we were doing it in the early 2000s, when the economy was coming out of-
Kenrya: It started in '03?
Erica: No, it was before recession, right? It was before recession.
Kenrya: It was before, yeah. Because I came to New York in '03.
Erica: And so, niggas was living high, because I remember I was doing commercial real estate at that time. And the shit, the free shit that they give you, the shit that they offer you, we would go to events and they'd be like, doing a drawing for a car. Because it was just like, it was so much fucking money around, you know?
Kenrya: Yeah, especially in the city.
Erica: Exactly. And so I feel like even if you're getting invited to shit now, well, especially now, but like-
Kenrya: I mean, shit, now it ain't, you know?
Erica: You're getting invited to Zoom parties. But even if you're getting invited to shit now, it's very different from when we were doing it, because-
Kenrya: Probably. I mean, it's crazy because I don't really live that life. It feels like a whole other... Trips to other countries, and Sundance villas with movie screening passes and three meals a day at fancy restaurants and man, that was like a lifetime ago. Car service every fucking day.
Erica: Oh, I miss a good car service.
Kenrya: Yeah, like-
Erica: Car service!
Kenrya: Meals into the office-
Erica: That was like, it wasn't Uber, it was like a black car.
Kenrya: Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the trade-off of course was that I worked like a crazy person. The reason that there were meals was because I was in the office [crosstalk 00:21:52]-
Erica: They didn't want you to leave the office, yeah.
Erica: I mean, but I think that there's joy... I don't know if joy is the right word but there's fun in that when you're fucking 22, 23, is just when you hit like 25, 26, you're like, "Okay, this shit ain't for my old ass no more." You know?
Kenrya: Yeah. I always say New York is definitely a city, and especially in my industry is like, a time in the city for the very young, I definitely lived there and did that whole thing right when I should've. I think I was like 22 or somewhere around there. And so, that worked, and then by the time a bitch hit 29, it was time to go.
Erica: Yeah, you feel like a grizzled old bird, like, "When I was your age..." Yeah, so.
Kenrya: I had to get the fuck out.
Erica: Okay, so also I love the group dynamics of this friend group. So, it's six people. They're both male and female, and they like, I think it's a monthly gathering or something?
Kenrya: Yeah, they get together every month.
Erica: I just love the rituals in that. And especially now, is where living in lockdown, living La Vida Lockdown, (singing)-
Kenrya: Wouldn't be E about the singing.
Erica: I know. You can mark that on your bingo card. So, I really liked that, and now that we are kind of stuck inside the house, I'm realizing that there's so much value in that. And what I liked about Shad, the story opens with his homeboy trying to get with one of his home girls, he was like, "Come on man, let me go, let me go, let me go!" And I thought it was dope as hell that Shad recognized like, "Nah, this is a safe space. This bitch will fucking kill me if I brought your"-
Kenrya: Brought your thirsty ass.
Erica: Exactly. Your lecherous ass. Did I use that word right?
Kenrya: Yes, ma'am.
Erica: Your lecherous ass on into the group, when we're supposed to be having a good time.
Kenrya: A relaxed time, yeah.
Erica: Yeah, so I thought that was really cool. And I just love the rituals of getting together periodically, and somebody brings the drinks, this is what we're doing, that kind of thing.
Kenrya: It made me think of what we used to do. I mean, shit, I guess we were a little older by the time we started really doing that, because everybody was kind of partnered, but remember when we used to get together in one of our friend's houses, and my house on a regular basis. And drink and make and have dinner together, and all of that shit?
Kenrya: That's nice.
Erica: And I think we're doing it now, just in a different iteration just because we have kids and that kind of thing. It's a little difficult because my kid's of a certain age, and a boy. And other people have kids that are younger, or different interests. My kid is definitely a nerd. He ain't trying to go play football in the back with nobody, not like he would have anybody of his age or anybody to play with. But you get what I'm saying?
Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Erica: So it makes it a little more difficult and actually now, our relationships are like, "Get me the fuck away from this husband and kids." So the shit we do is like, "Dope, y'all niggas can't come. Stay at home, bye. I'm going to act like I don't even fucking know you." Right?
Kenrya: Yeah. It's the evolution in friendships.
Erica: It is an evolution. One of the things they talked about as a group was sex on your period.
Kenrya: Oh, I forgot about that.
Erica: Running red lights, dipping your French fry in ketchup.
Kenrya: So gross.
Erica: I know. Yeah, I definitely had a guy who was like, "I mean, I like dipping my fries in ketchup." I was like, "Carry the one, minus the three... Oh, shit!"
Kenrya: I'm interested. Why did he say he liked it?
Erica: I think it was just more one of them like-
Kenrya: "I don't give a fuck."
Erica: Yeah, like, "I don't give a fuck." Like not necessarily, "Oh, call me when it's on."
Kenrya: Oh, okay.
Erica: But that's how I know when I'm about to start my period.
Kenrya: When you're horny?
Erica: Oh, my God. I am a fucking horn dog. I'm like humping door jambs, and like looking at pillows like, "Mm, that pillow got a fat ass."
Kenrya: I've never been that person, but probably because I have so much pain associated with my periods, there's no room for that.
Erica: Oh. Girl, I'll be horny.
Kenrya: Because I start hurting before my period actually even starts. That's how I know things are about to pop off. No horniness for me. Just pain.
Erica: You fuck on your period?
Kenrya: No, because pain.
Erica: Oh, because of pain?
Kenrya: Yeah, I've done it one time. It was years ago, and it was basically... It was like the last day, and we was tired of waiting for it to just finish up. So, we said, "Fuck it," and put down a dark towel and made it happen.
Erica: A dark towel?
Kenrya: Yeah, but no. I haven't ever done it since then. I'm literally, yeah. I'm in too much pain to even be thinking about anything like that. You have not been watching “I May Destroy You,” have you?
Kenrya: Okay, first of all, it's fucking fantastic.
Erica: But is it triggering?
Kenrya: So, so... No. Well, hmm, okay. It could be. There's definitely some sexual violence that happens. So, yes, it could be. And I guess they do put the little thing on the screen, that tells you before it starts. So I guess that serves as a content warning. Yeah.
Erica: But do people even read that shit? I don't even read that shit. Because it's like, that's white noise at that point. I've seen them things all the time.
Kenrya: That's true. And you bring up a really great point, that for anyone who is a survivor of rape or any other type of sexual violence may have difficulty. I mean, I am a survivor of that. I wouldn't say it was triggering, but it was definitely difficult to watch. But I'm also fascinated with like, Michaela Coel is fucking-
Erica: Dope as fuck? Yes.
Kenrya: I just like to look at her, and I just like to watch shit that she wrote and shit that she directed, and I'm so very much sucked in, like waiting for the new episodes to drop every week. So, yeah. You should watch it. But also, it's interesting to see how people process. I definitely know how I processed that shit, which was not at all. So, to see the differences in how people respond to certain situations is really fascinating to me. I think it's a fantastic show, but you definitely... It would probably be better to know what you're coming into, because I did not at all.
Erica: So, how does this relate to fucking on your period?
Kenrya: Oh, because there's an episode. Thanks, bitch. Bring it back!
Erica: Bring it back! Bring it back! I'm like, "If we going to go down this hole, let's have a payoff." Sorry.
Kenrya: In one of the early episodes, her character is with someone and they want to have sex but she's on her period. And he's like, "I don't give a fuck, let's go! Let's try," is what he says. But then there's like a blood clot situation. But what's crazy is he wasn't grossed out or anything. He was fascinated by it, and his fascination with the blood clot freaked her out and made her quit.
Erica: Well, and that's the thing. I always say, pussies are like little warm moist pockets. There is a lot that goes on in there, and men, not a lot of men understand it. I mean, shit, not a lot of women understand it. They're still trying to figure it out, so I can only imagine the dude being like, "Yo, this a fucking blood clot."
Kenrya: He was like, "Oh, does this always happen? What is..." It was this whole thing. And she was like, "Well, I have a heavy flow, so sometimes it," [crosstalk 00:30:22]-
Erica: Shit happens.
Kenrya: Yeah, right. So, yeah. That's where that was going.
Erica: Yeah, I'm like, "Girl, I mean, this is great, but..."
Kenrya: Yeah, I'm sorry.
Erica: Yeah, I do it. If you comfortable, I'm comfortable too. We're just going to throw down a towel. And bitch, if we're on vacation, honey, we're going to use the white sheets. No. I'm not that bad. [crosstalk 00:30:47] Only because people clean it up.
Kenrya: Yeah, but then somebody's got to clean it up.
Erica: No, I'm saying, I'm joking. And the only reason that I don't is because someone has to clean-
Kenrya: Someone else has to, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay.
Erica: Let's get clear on this, Erica is not trifling, except for that one experience in New York. But again, I'm sorry.
Erica: We tipped her really well. But yeah, girl. I throw down the sheet in a minute, a towel in a minute and we'll get it on. Because again, you all up in my spot, might as well continue to be up in my spot. You know? I mean, I get it, that some guys are kind of squeamish about it. But you know what I don't understand? And I think you're one of these people. I use the cup, the menstrual cup. And I don't understand how people are like, squeamish about it. I mean, yes. It's blood, but it's your blood, coming out of your pussy. You know?
Kenrya: I'm not squeamish about the cup. I just feel like I would have trouble with the placement.
Erica: You got to learn.
Kenrya: That's because of my anatomy. I just feel like it would be difficult for me, but that's all.
Erica: You got to learn. I mean, you can, because I'm mismatched. I'm flopped backwards or whatever.
Kenrya: Well, my uterus is retroverted, and then my cervix, one side comes down more. It's like a whole thing, so I just feel like I would have a hard time placing it and keeping it secure, that's all.
Erica: You know a whole lot about your-
Kenrya: I do, yeah.
Erica: ... innards. Which is great thing. But yeah, so I know that my shit's backwards, and I still use it. It took a cycle or two to figure out how to make that happen. But I don't understand how women are squeamish about it. I mean, I get it. But at the same time, I don't, because it's like... It's your shit!
Kenrya: Yeah, but think about how long and how many messages that we get about how we're not... that's a private area. It's a no-no place, you're not supposed to touch it, you're not supposed to look at it. So, the idea of having to do something that involves you literally putting your hands into it, for something that doesn't have to do with pleasure, especially related to some other fucking person, that's not what we're taught. So, I feel like there's some unlearning that has to happen for you to be able to be comfortable with that, especially because pads are just the way. A lot of folks are afraid to use tampons-
Kenrya: ... because of the things that they've been taught.
Erica: Yes. So, I'm really trying my best not to judge. I don't want to sound like some judgey bitch, and so if I sound like one, it's only because I'm so like, "Fuck it."
Kenrya: Dumbfounded by it, yeah.
Erica: Yeah, but yeah, so, if that's your thing, that's your thing. But yeah, so...
Kenrya: So, I've actually moved to using the underwear, and I love it. Yeah, it's really much more comfortable for me.
Erica: I've actually moved to having injections that put my ovaries asleep, so I won't have one for five years, and by the time I do-
Erica: ... it'll be just in time for menopause. So, I get to experience these things called hot flashes multiple times. And have you ever had a hot flash in 90 degree heat?
Kenrya: No, ma'am.
Erica: You don't want to. Thank God I ain't got no hair, because that shit would be fluffy than a motherfucker.
Kenrya: Nothing wrong with fluffy hair.
Erica: Yeah. But so, sex on period, I do it. And I actually look at a nigga that do it like, "Huh, you got a Boy Scout badge for that?" He'll be like, a little condom with a red drop of blood... like a little like, bink. So, yeah. Okay, last thing. When they're having sex, our home girl Aisha definitely kind of dominates the situation. She's like, "Look, nigga. This is what we're going to do, this is how we're going to do it." And I actually like it, so we've talked to our first... In our first season, we talked about the dominant submissive situations, roles. And just a general relationship, and it kind of goes over into sex, and you made it very clear, Kenrya, ain't no nigga dominating you generally, but you are open to it in the bedroom, right?
Kenrya: Yeah, mm-hmm (affirmative).
Erica: Yeah. And I think I am... I still like being submissive in the bedroom, but there are times where I'm like, "Yo, let me run this shit. Let me tell you what the fuck to do. Don't touch this, do that, put your mouth here, that kind of thing." I occasionally like that. Actually, I just saw this... was either TikTok or Twitter. But it was this chick, and I saw the tweet because somebody was like, "Beat his ass, sis!" And so I'm jumping in thinking it's a fucking fight video.
Erica: And it was some chick with a nigga with a hood on, and she was going to town. Hot wax, call me mistress, and I was just like-
Erica: And again, I am stuck in this house with no dick, no man, and what's the name of my Ambien?
Erica: Jerome. And Jerome. So, girl. I was like, "This is nice, this is nice." But and then like, people were like, "Oh my god, this is so gross." I'm like, "Let them people live." That nigga probably paid good money for that.
Erica: You know? So, how did you feel about the dominating sex in the story?
Kenrya: I thought it was dope, because basically when they came into it, it was like, "Well, this is our one. You lending me your dick for tonight, bet. I'm finna get everything I can get out of this situation." So, I appreciated that she was like, "Fuck it, I'm going to do exactly what's going to get me off. If you come, that's cool, but I'm finna"-
Erica: But what's going to happen is, I'm going to-
Kenrya: I'm going to... Yeah, exactly.
Erica: And I said this a million times. I feel like sex is great when everybody's a greedy motherfucker. We all need to take into our own hands our own orgasm, and not lay there expecting somebody to give it to them. Because we all working towards the common goal then, shit is-
Kenrya: Everybody gets off.
Erica: ... going to be great.
Kenrya: Yeah. That's true.
Erica: So, that's all I've got on the story. Do you want to add anything, or shall we go onto our next segment?
Kenrya: I think it's time for the next segment.
Erica: So, we are going to talk about what's turning us on. All right, y'all, so this is what is turning us on this week. Kenrya, take it from here.
Kenrya: All right, so what's turning me on this week is the Bondage Boutique Plush Sex Position Restraint with Cuffs, which is a mouthful, and the product kind of is too. It's got a lot of little pieces and parts to it. So, basically, it is almost like a neck pillow, like an abbreviated version of what you would use on a plane or whatever mode of transportation is safe these days. So, you put that part around your neck, and then it has these straps, and the straps on the ends of them are padded cuffs that go around your wrists, and then there is another one, that is another strap that extends from those and has additional cuffs, and you can put those around your ankles. So, you can use it if you're on your back, and it holds all four of your limbs up in the air using just the force of gravity.
Erica: Physics, physics.
Kenrya: Yeah, you can also use it if you're on all fours, it holds your ankles up in the air. Yes, ma'am.
Erica: Oh, I was only thinking on the back, but yes.
Kenrya: Yeah, so it's really good for... What has worked best for me using it is being on a bed or other surface that actually puts you at a good height for fucking. Because if it's too low, it's kind of hard to get the full use of it, because it works best for me when my partner is standing and can then access everything. So, it makes visibility really good.
Erica: Mm-hmm (affirmative), mm-hmm (affirmative). That's my like, I'm drawing a picture in my... Uh-huh (affirmative), uh-huh (affirmative), yeah.
Kenrya: Keeps everything up and out of the way, and honestly, it kind of minimizes the amount of energy you have to expend in those positions, and it's also really comfortable on your neck. So, even though everything is kind of anchored there, it's a super plush pillow.
Erica: I'm about to order this tonight, and I ain't even fucking like that.
Kenrya: Yeah, it's really fucking dope.
Kenrya: Yeah, it's really, really, really dope, and you can use it for actually having penetrative sex, but you could use it if your partner's using a toy on you and wants to be able to get a really good view and you want to be able to see too, because the pillow raises your head a little bit, like... and you can use it in combination with a wedge, and all that shit.
Erica: I'm sorry, I'm so excited. Because here's the thing, a bitch getting old. I need assistive devices. I hate to say that.
Kenrya: It holds everything up, and just... It's really honestly comfortable. That plush ass pillow is really doing the business.
Erica: Yeah, okay, well, I will be using the link that's found in this, that we're going to provide to purchase said sex set. That is pretty dope as hell, okay.
Kenrya: And it was pretty inexpensive, too.
Erica: Yeah, okay, well-
Kenrya: And totally worth the investment.
Erica: That is turning me on too, and I ain't even used it.
Erica: Ay, ay, ay, ay! All righty, well, that wraps up this week's episode of The Turn On. This is Erica and Kenrya, your two favorite hoes making it clap!
Kenrya: Making it clap!
Erica: God damnit, bye!
Kenrya: It's impossible!
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In this episode of The Turn On, Erica and Kenrya read “Rise of the Rain Queen” by Fiona Zedde and talk about the role family plays in romantic relationships and dating folks who are too old for us. Plus, they announce the first selection in The Turn On Book Club!
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Kenrya: Come here. Get off.
Erica: Welcome to the second episode of season three.
Kenrya: Ayyeeeeee! I wish I could do air horns. I'm not good at it.
Erica: Bah bah bah! It's because we're from the Midwest and not Jamaica. That is why we don't-
Kenrya: Maybe that's why. We need a Midwestern sound. I don't know what that would be. What? It's about to be ignorant. (singing).
Erica: Smoking on hay...
Kenrya: Hay, in the middle of the barn! Y’all missed the titty shimmy.
Erica: They're more of a side to side until I get a little movement in them.
Kenrya: It was still a shimmy.
Kenrya: I like it.
Erica: Thanks, boo. We'll have some sort of Midwest version of an air horn, trust and believe. Welcome to the second episode of season three of The Turn On. We are just going to jump right in it. Today we are reading “Rise of the Rain Queen.”
Kenrya: Sorry. You know I can never resist.
Erica: You know what? You're special, because the office is special, so why not? This week we're reading “Rise of the Rain Queen” by Fiona Zedde, which was written in 2016. Sit back, relax, get your wine, get your weed, get your whatever you need, and enjoy.
Kenrya: Let's do it.
Kenrya: “Rise of the Rain Queen,” by Fiona Zedde.
Kenrya: “Duni, don't pretend that when you said those things to me you didn't mean for me to change and become the woman you want.” Ny balanced her hands on her thighs, hoping and praying that she was right. In her eyes, Duni had practically dared her to grow up. “So tell me, am I now the woman you want?” She felt Duni close to her, the heat of her body just a touch away. Her breath smelled of a recent dinner and mint leaves. “Do you want me?”
Kenrya: A sigh left Duni's lips, “I ....” She drew back and took her breath, her lips, and her heat with her. Ny straightened her spine against the disappointment. At least her father was proud of her now. At least she knew her mother than she had before. At least ... Duni kissed her. Ny gasped and drew in the taste of Duni into her mouth. Mint and sweetness and the press of her soft lips. Ny's heart thudded in her chest and her lashes fluttered with surprise. Then she realized what was happening. Duni was actually kissing her. Ny quivered and kissed back. She and Duni crashed together, mouths pressing firmly, hands grasping in heated intent. Ny tingled every place they touched.
Kenrya: Her head spun with the reality of what was happening, her fantasies no longer confined to her sleeping mat, but made real under moonlight with the quiet rushing of the river nearby. Emboldened, she touched even more than she had in her dreams, her fingers slipping under the thin kanga to skate over Duni's waist beads, her warm skin. Duni shuddered and pulled back with a moan. She licked her lips, took a moment to regain her breath. Her eyes dipped down. “This is dangerous for me.”
Kenrya: Yes, it would be dangerous if Duni's husband found out, but they would be discreet. They would only touch when they were alone. They would only speak of their intimacies to each other. “We need to be careful,” Ny said. It didn't even cross her mind to give up what she'd just found with Duni. “Yes.” Duni's tongue appeared to wet her lips and Ny stopped thinking. She leaned in again to press a kiss back to Duni's mouth, entranced by the softness of it, the plump dampness like ripe fruit. The faint taste of oil and honey berries lingered on those soft lips. Had Duni worn the oil for her?
Kenrya: It excited her, the thought that Duni had enticed her to the river not just to talk, but to kiss, like this. Ny licked the enticing flavor on Duni's mouth, the sweetness of the berries and the much more delicious taste of her mouth's natural essence. She was like a fruit Ny had only hoped of tasting, always hanging high on the vine and out of reach, and now here she was, practically in Ny's lap. She groaned and pressed closer. Duni drew back, smiling. She curved her palm around Ny's cheek. “Like this.”
Kenrya: She kissed Ny again, lips pressing as delicately as flower petals, leaving Ny slightly dizzy, a hunt in the forest that pushed her body to the very limit. The feel of her was intoxicating and weakening, strange in a way she'd never considered. She'd been interested in kissing girls before, but too nervous to try. Nervous in a way she hadn't been bout jumping from cliffs or diving into the river. Duni's lips parted, her tongue gently breaking the seam of Ny's mouth and her thoughts flew away, a flock of wild birds.
Kenrya: Heat pooled in her belly with each stroke of Duni's tongue. A shiver rippled through her body. It felt dangerous, this kind of kissing, her heartbeat speeding up too fast to be safe, her breath stolen, her palms wet, but she didn't want to stop. Duni taught her everything she needed to know. The kiss could be a greeting, an apology, an unmaking. Duni's tongue slid against Ny's, firm and slick. Her hands gripped her waist, sinking into soft flesh. Her thoughts were gone. Everything was only sensation, wet agitation between her legs, a sound like pain from her throat, or was it from Duni? Soft noises, squirming against Ny on the rock, their chests pressed together, nipples rubbing, aching. Ny pulled away with a gasp, desperately needing to breathe.
Kenrya: Duni's breath puffed against her lips. “Are y’all right?” Ny shook her head. “My heart is beating in my chest. It feels like I'm going to die.” “Die?” “Yes. No. I can't explain it properly. It feels good.” Her hands drifted down to Duni's hips. “You feel good.” She dipped her hand into the curve of Duni's neck, smelled her, that soft place where neck met shoulder, the scent of her hair, of wood fires and honey flower oil. Ny licked her throat and Duni shivered against her. “I knew you'd be a fast learner.”
Kenrya: Ny drew back. “How do you know I haven't done this before?” Duni laughed, trailed a hand down Ny's bare back. “There are no secrets in this village, Nyandoro.” She flicked a thumb across Ny's lower lip. “Besides, your touch feels too tentative for you to be anything but untouched, and I'm surprised. I thought you, you would've had many offers.” “I've had offers, but there's never been anyone I wanted, no one but you.” “You humble me.” “Does that mean I can taste you now?” She dropped her gaze to Duni's hips so there was no mistaking her meaning. Duni smothered her laughter in Ny's shoulder. “Very fast learner, and eager too.” She lifted her head, eyes still shining mirth. “Not here. Tonight.” “Then where? I...”
Kenrya: Was there some way she could tell Duni that she ached? Her nipples hurt, but the pain was sweet. Between her legs was slippery and an even deeper ache was there. She wanted to touch herself but knew it would be even better if Duni touched her. “I want to touch you and I want you to touch me.” “I know. Soon.” The humor vanished from her eyes. “Remember, we must be careful.” Ny shivered at the seriousness in her voice. The lust drained from her, common sense slowly replacing it. Duni could lose everything, she realized again. Was this worth it? “Are you sure?”
Kenrya: Duni shook her head. “No. You don't get to chase me and then change your mind when I say yes. Now I'm the one saying yes.” She leaned in to kiss Ny once again, her gaze flying to the path far up the river. “I have to go. They'll miss me if I'm away much longer.” She pulled the comb from her hair. It was the same one from the first night they met by the river. “Take this and think of me.” “I always think of you.” But she took the comb anyway and slid it into the neckline of her kanga. With another look at the path, Duni clamored down from the rock. In the dark, Ny could feel Duni's gaze on her mouth, on the slope of her shoulders. “See you soon.”
Erica: Welcome back. That was “Rise of the Rain Queen” by Fiona Zedde. Let's start with the synopsis, and then we'll go into our big announcement, or should we do our announcement and then the synopsis?
Kenrya: I don't know. It's your show, boo. What you want to do?
Erica: It's our show, but since I get the choice, quick synopsis. This book is set in the Tanganyika region of Africa.
Kenrya: In 1400?
Erica: Yeah, in 1400. Pretty much in this society, all people at the age of 19, 20, they get to pick their partner, and then they live happily ever after. In this story, Ny, who is the main character, she is pretty much one of those little scrappy, "I'm going to do whatever the fuck I want, be in typical male or typical female roles. This is what I'm going to do." She has decided that she wants to take on this woman as her partner. Problem is this woman is married, is one of the wives of this guy that has multiple wives. It's a conflict there and just greater folklore in the community.
Kenrya: That's a good way of putting it. We got to work really hard not to spoil this one.
Erica: Because this has some really big spoilers, some really big twists and turns, and so I'm trying to give you the gist of it without-
Kenrya: This is like the “Fight Club” of Black romance.
Erica: Okay. Uh-huh (affirmative). Yeah. That. Anyway, so just take our word for it. It is a really good book. We want you guys to experience that book, so we are launching, (singing) The Turn On ... We really need a budget for special effects.
Kenrya: Yeah, some sounds. I think we can make that happen.
Erica: We probably can. We are launching The Turn On Book Club. First, to get access to the book club, join our Patreon. The entry level is five bucks a month, $5 a month. Let a bitch hold $5, please.
Kenrya: That's all. It gets you into the book club.
Erica: Gets you into the book club. We'll send you guys a handwritten thank you card. We have a bunch of different levels, but the entry level is called Just the Tip.
Kenrya: I believe so, yes.
Erica: Join as a Just the Tip contributor and you get access to the book club, as well as a handwritten thank you card. The book club will be quarterly. Did we say quarterly or monthly?
Erica: The book club will be quarterly. We will discuss a book in detail that we've read on the show.
Kenrya: You get to chop it up with us about a book.
Erica: It will be one on one. Not one on one.
Erica: Small group, one, two. That's what she said.
Erica: It'll be small group with us, and we will lead the discussion around this book, “Rise of the Rain Queen.”
Kenrya: Yep, this is our first book club selection. It's so dope, y’all.
Erica: Yeah, it's a really, really good book.
Kenrya: Get your copy. Hold up.
Erica: Oh, shit.
Kenrya: Go to our website. Click through-
Kenrya: ... to our Patreon. You can also purchase your copy of the book directly from the episode page for this episode. You get your book, you get into the club, and then we'll see you online. You get to see us.
Erica: Yeah, y’all get to see us, in all of our bad bitchedness. Reow. This little excerpt that Kenrya read, it really was about the first time that Ny and her partner, or her beloved, Duni, this was the first time that they really had an opportunity to-
Kenrya: Explore each other.
Erica: ... explore each other. Ny for a while has seen Duni in the village. She been cutting eyes at her, to the point where all her family is like, "Goddamn. You going to sop her up with a biscuit." There's a lot. She got all these brothers. They're constantly teasing her about this shit. You know what I really loved about this book was that her brothers were super loving and super supportive. One of the things that stood out to both of us in this story is that choosing to pick someone of the same sex as a partner isn't a-
Kenrya: It's not a thing. It's just what people do.
Erica: ... "Oh, she's a lesbian." It's just, "I chose a woman partner." I think the only real time that it was even mentioned as a thing was when her mom was like, "Yeah, but the women in our society passed down the lineage, and so I wanted you to pick a man-"
Kenrya: Have kids.
Erica: "... so you could pass our name down." It wasn't even like a, "Why are you doing it?" It was just like a, "Damn. [crosstalk 00:16:51]."
Kenrya: Yes for matrilineal society.
Erica: Yes. I just thought it was really cute. I got the warm and fuzzies, every time Ny was talking to her brothers or her dad or her mother about-
Kenrya: Yeah, because even when they were fucking with her, it was love.
Erica: Exactly. Even when some really bad things happened and she had to make some really hard decisions, her brothers were behind her, down for her like four flat tires, which begs me to think about, to ask the question of you, Kenrya, how was your family when it came to you dating people, particularly early in your dating history? In this society, I think Ny is probably, I didn't get a number, probably 19, 20, something like that.
Kenrya: Yeah, because she's just about to reach a age where she gets to pick a partner.
Erica: She's 19, 20. This is really her first time dating and showing interest in people. I just thought it was great how supportive her family was, but still like, "Be careful, girl."
Kenrya: "Slow down."
Erica: What about you?
Kenrya: Aye aye aye. Honestly, I think there's a lot of problematic stuff around how my family was. I was raised by my dad. My mom wasn't really at all involved at that point. My father was just like, "Okay." I remember that there was this dude who I was dating, and my dad was just glad he had a car so I didn't have to borrow ours. I was 16, and this nigga was 23.
Kenrya: Yeah. Statutory like a motherfucker. Because of the way that I was set up at that time, I wasn't having sex or anything, but it was still, I shouldn't have been hanging out with that grown ass man.
Erica: What the fuck are you doing at 23 where you got interest with a 16-year-old, no matter how-
Kenrya: Chaste or whatever.
Kenrya: We might've kissed.
Erica: ... adult-like you were, because probably you were running accounting books at 16.
Kenrya: Yeah, but I looked like I was fucking 12-
Erica: 14, yeah.
Kenrya: ... with big titties. I feel like it was probably too permissive, honestly. He was pretty hands-off, but he was hands-off on a lot of stuff. I think sometimes that's the way that things can progress when you are a single parent. It can go either way. Sometimes single parents are like, "I'm involved in every moment of your life," and then sometimes it's like, "Nigga, this too much." I think my father definitely took the, "Nigga, this is too much," strategy. I definitely was hanging out, doing shit I shouldn't have been doing. I was lying and telling him I was going to the movies, and then we was walking around the fucking outdoor mall situation with niggas, collecting numbers at the mall, with one bag-
Kenrya: ... so we looked like we was doing something.
Erica: I really remember going to the mall with my girls and being like, "Oh, we got to make sure we bring a pen and a piece of paper."
Kenrya: Yeah, so you can write numbers down.
Erica: So you can write down numbers.
Kenrya: Because we had pagers, that was it, so you had to write numbers down.
Erica: I had a pager, but I might not have always had a pager, because I had to go-
Kenrya: Because she wouldn't turn it on.
Erica: ... to the place to pay on it every month.
Kenrya: Pay your bill.
Erica: If my aunt didn't take me, nigga, you was just going to have to wait a few days for your pager to get turned back on.
Kenrya: Exactly. There was too much. It was too permissive, I think.
Erica: My question is, do you think that your dad was super, trying not to tell all your business, but do you think your dad was super permissive because you were who you were? Do you think maybe had you been another kid, he might've been a little more lockdown, which would've then resulted in everybody else in the family being locked down, or was it like, "Killa was the start and she was cool so I can be cool with the rest of them."
Kenrya: No, I think that he was very often was just overwhelmed with what it meant to take care of two young women, and so sometimes things fell through the crack and he said yes to things he shouldn't have said yes to. I had a boyfriend my senior year in high school who-
Erica: That nigga in jail?
Kenrya: Yeah, who would stay over. It really started right before I went to college. I didn't realize it until partway through my freshman year, but this dude was picking fights with his parents so they would kick him out of the house, because he knew my dad would let him stay. He did that before I left to go to school, so he could spend more time. I literally didn't know that this is what was happening. I just knew that my father was too permissive and would let this dude stay in our house. Then I went away to college, and he was super clingy and would say shit like, "Oh, you sitting in class with all them college boys." I was like, "Nigga, what is you talking about?" He had his issues. Then I realized that there was a pattern, that every time I would go back to Cleveland, this nigga would get kicked out and have to stay at my house. The last time it happened was Valentine's Day of my freshman year. I had caught on to what was happening. I refused to let him come to my house. Then I broke up with him. That was the end of that, because I didn't appreciate ... I'm like, "At least if this is your strategy, talk to a bitch."
Erica: Yeah, like, "Let's plan this together, not just you plan it for this shit to happen."
Kenrya: It just felt super controlling, and it was, ultimately.
Erica: Yeah, manipulative.
Kenrya: Yeah. Too permissive, I think. What about you?
Erica: My grandmother raised me through high school, but I grew up in a house with my grandmother and my aunt. My grandmother, grandfather, aunt, and my younger sister. The way my granny's house was, there was always people there. Granny was the rule setter and the law layer downer, law down layer. You know what I'm saying. The rule was no dating until you 16. I was one of those kids that was like ... Even now my family's freaking out that I'm doing this podcast and all that. They're like, "Oh my God, this is Erica?" because I was a good kid. I fed them what they wanted to know. I fed them what they needed to see. I was smoking weed in high school. I was fucking in high school.
Kenrya: You fed into the expectations of respectability.
Erica: Exactly. It's funny because my younger sister is the complete opposite.
Kenrya: Yes, she is.
Erica: She was like-
Kenrya: "Fuck it."
Erica: What's that meme with like, "I do what I want. I do what I want." It's Lil Uzi Vert. That is my sister. That was her growing up. Actually, thinking about it now, I want to feel bad about, damn, I was the perfect kid. My family definitely tried to compare me and my sister, but my younger sister was like, "Fuck that. I refuse." That's one of the things-
Kenrya: Good for her.
Erica: ... that I really love about her, because she was like, "Fuck that." She didn't blow up my spot. They'll be like, "Can you believe?" My sister, she called me and be like, "Bitch, they get on my nerves, talk about Erica never did. They just didn't know." She just has this inner, "Fuck y’all, I'm going to do what I want. Fuck what you say," that I am so proud of in her, because I feel like because we were so close in age, it would've been easy for them to pit us against each other. I think they did, unknowingly, but my sister refused that-
Kenrya: That's awesome.
Erica: ... and was like, "Fuck that," because I had a little boyfriend. He was probably 18, 19. He was dat nigga, because he had a Cutlass that was sitting on some big ass rims. He would pick me up. We would go to his house. We'd eat Jack In A Box. We'd go and do little nasty things. My family swore up and down I was the sweetest. My little sister was like, "Bitch, I knew this dude. I saw he was everywhere. He was a little D-boy and your ass was just hopping in the car with him." All that to say, I think my family, and again, it was my grandma, so she was trying her best. I fed them the goody two shoes, "She's doing everything right." I brought home damn near straight A's. There was only so much that they could do or say. Had they dug a little deeper, they definitely could've caught me in some shit. I think my grandmother didn't know enough to dig deeper.
Kenrya: To know to look.
Erica: My aunts was just probably like, "This little fast ass. This little hot ass little girl."
Kenrya: That's interesting. I'm thinking about that. Yes, my family did think that there ... A lot of my family outside my immediate family, they still have these really deeply ingrained notions about who I am.
Erica: Who I am, and I'm like-
Kenrya: I'm like, "Nigga, hey."
Kenrya: This is not me. Because I was valedictorian and talked a good game and volunteered all over the place and all that stuff, it was like the idea of me having more than one side to me or more than one part of who I am that made up the whole was super duper foreign to them, even then. I think it still is. They still trip off the fact that I do and say the things that I do at this point.
Erica: Some of it is just part of me being who I am, but I just sold one part harder than I sold the other part. Does that make sense?
Erica: Because I don't want to make it seem like I was walking around false.
Kenrya: This is just not the part that y’all knew.
Erica: Y’all don't know this part.
Erica: It's crazy, because now here in D.C., I talk to my friends and I tell them, "Yo, I am the quiet one in my family." I'm not the like...
Kenrya: The only reason I know that's true is because I spend so much time around your family.
Erica: It's scary to think that.
Kenrya: It's true.
Erica: They're like, "Oh, Erica bougie. She don't like." No, I'm not going to ... My granny lives across the street from a church. It's like, no, I'm not going to go to the church and smoke weed. We ain't smoking weed in granny house. I'm like, "Y’all, we in a church!" At least walk three doors down to-
Kenrya: [crosstalk 00:28:21] a little bit.
Erica: ... to somebody else's house.
Kenrya: [crosstalk 00:28:23].
Erica: All that to say, my granny and grandpa were still very much old-school, so even when I went out, I would go on dates ... I couldn't date until I was 16. I think they let me go on a date. My birthday's at the end of May. They let me go on a date beginning of May, so I cut it by three weeks.
Kenrya: I don't even remember if I had a ... I don't think I had a ...
Erica: I could not date until I was 16. Ain't no nigga coming to honk the horn and you run out.
Kenrya: Oh, that's ignorant.
Erica: You better put that bitch in park, take the keys out, come in, and speak.
Kenrya: Oh, they had to come in.
Erica: Oh yeah, they had to ring the doorbell, come in and speak. My granny had to lay eyes on you. I lived in one of them neighborhoods where-
Kenrya: Everybody was laying eyes.
Erica: Everybody knew everybody on top of that. I'm sorry, we just going to go there. Every Saturday night my granny would fry fish. I don't care what's happening, what's going on, she frying fish. For prom I had to go and get dressed in the basement bathroom.
Kenrya: So you didn't smell like fish.
Erica: So I didn't smell like fried fish for prom. With that said, everybody knows that my granny would fry fish on a Saturday. If some dude coming to pick me up, he going to walk in the house, it's going to be half of my family in there like, "What's your name? Now who your mama? Did I go to school with her?" That kind of thing. They were very into it. At the same time, I remember I met this guy and I was working at a mall. We went on a date. I remember he came to pick me up. He picked me up after work. He met me at the mall. We went to Houlihan’s or something, because they had some good hot wings. We went to Houlihan’s, then I called my granny to ask her if I could stay out later. My aunt was like, "Don't let that boy take up your whole day," or, "Don't be too available for a boy." I remember little things like that that they told me.
Kenrya: Words of wisdom.
Erica: Which it makes a lot of sense now, because I am a queen of like, "I like you. Let's let this date keep going."
Kenrya: There's nothing wrong with that with a person who's worth your time.
Erica: Exactly, but nigga, we in high school. The nigga gave me some hot wings and [crosstalk 00:30:47]. I think that my aunts and my mom tried to show interest and be supportive, but not to the point where they're condoning anything too serious. When I was younger, I used to get frustrated, when I would be like, "He don't love me." Somebody, an adult, someone would always be like, "Y’all so young. This shit ain't going to mean nothing," because it would frustrate me. I try not to do that to younger people when they're going through it.
Kenrya: Because it feels very real and it is very real in the moment.
Erica: Bitch, you so young, this don't mean shit.
Kenrya: You will legit forget that nigga's name. I got whole ass niggas whose names I don't know.
Erica: Don't know, can't remember.
Kenrya: Who I was probably in a relationship with.
Kenrya: One of my sisters met somebody in Paris who said that we were boyfriend and girlfriend, and it took me 30 minutes and searching around on Facebook to figure out who the fuck she was talking about.
Erica: Oh girl.
Kenrya: I was like, "Oh, he was my boyfriend." Forgot.
Erica: Just a drop in the bucket. So young. One of the things that Ny did in the story, so Duni told Ny when they first met, "Girl, you on that little kid shit. You got your hands in everything. You doing too much. You on that little kid shit. Ain't no way we could ever be together because you on that little kid shit." Ny took that as a, "I need to act older. I need to change my ways." She went through this whole process, this whole period, where she really tried to be what she thought Duni wanted her to be. Things happened. We find out Duni's real. She said it in the excerpt we read. Duni was like, "Girl, that ain't ... Yeah, but no. I see you being not true to yourself, and that's not what I meant by that." Have you ever tried to change up who you are for a nigga?
Kenrya: Sure. I'm certain I've had. Sometimes consciously, probably a whole lot of times unconsciously. It's like when you start getting into some shit that you ain't never thought two seconds about because it's his thing, and not just on some supportive of his hobby, but really got yourself convinced that this is your shit, that kind of thing.
Erica: Standing backstage at a fucking rap concert, trying to act like you care about this-
Kenrya: Oh my God.
Erica: ... hotep ass music.
Kenrya: Do you know how many concerts I went to of roots reggae? I don't like roots reggae, bitch. It's standing room only in these clubs in New York, just standing there for legit three or four hours, trying to get drunk enough, but not so drunk that I couldn't stand up for all those hours. Lord have mercy. Terribly. Yes, I have done that. Yes. That's the minor ways. There are big ways that you can do it too. It's one of the ways that codependency robs you of yourself, when you're being the person that you either think you need to be for this person or that they're telling you that you need to be for them, and you start the lose parts of yourself because-
Erica: Giving your life for the purpose of some other.
Kenrya: Exactly. I did that lots.
Erica: My whole marriage.
Kenrya: Exact same.
Erica: The thing is, I'll start with my marriage and work backwards, but even with my marriage, it was one of those things where it was like, "It's easier if I behave this way or do these things," because it's just easier on the sake of being easier for the relationship.
Kenrya: It's a go along to get along.
Erica: I have realized that if I can't be exactly who the fuck I am in a relationship, I just don't need to be in that relationship. Some of it was like I grew and changed and outgrew particular ideas, actions, activities, and still held on to, not even wanted to, but still held on to them, because that's what kept us together. I could tell y’all, some things I have the most, skateboarding, intricate knowledge of, because it's like, I was with a nigga that did it, so I did it too. Really, nigga? No.
Kenrya: There's nothing wrong with supporting what your partners do or learning a little bit about their shit, to show interest, in the same ways that we would expect them to show some interest in us and our work. It's just when you cross over to the point where that shit replaces the other shit.
Erica: You're selling tee-shirts after his fucking ... You selling Muck Muck and the Scuzzy band crew tee-shirts at a damn-
Kenrya: Trying to get your friends to buy CDs.
Erica: I wasn't going to say that. Doing shit like missing homecoming for a nigga. Have I ever missed homecoming for a nigga? I never have, but it's just things that are so integral to who you are.
Kenrya: I've only missed homecoming-
Erica: I'm going to dial that back.
Kenrya: ... for one person. It was for a friend on her birthday.
Erica: Yeah, and she was like, "Okay, I'm done with that! Back to homecoming!" I definitely have. Most of it I look back and it's cringey, because it's like, oh my god, I can't believe I did that shit, but then I hear Kenrya in my ear saying, "You know what? You know better, you do better." Now I know better and so I do better, but it's definitely a cringey experience to think about all the bullshit that I found myself involved in or doing, just because I want to seem like I give a fuck about something. I remember I dated this musician and found ... It wasn't roots reggae. Oh, you know what? There was a roots reggae nigga. Remember, we went to a roots ... Was it that show we went to see?
Kenrya: No, it wasn't the roots, but it was some-
Erica: It was Dead Prez?
Kenrya: It wasn't. Fuck.
Erica: Somebody in Philly.
Kenrya: Was it Brand Nubian? No, it wasn't, because we used to do roots reggae, but we also used to do that old-school rap, like Hotep ass-
Erica: Yeah! That's why I was thinking maybe it was Dead Prez, which I like Dead Prez.
Kenrya: It wasn't Dead Prez, because I like Dead Prez. It was somewhere in that New York old-school hip-hop realm. We did, we went on a double-date in Philly with two niggas that ain't...
Erica: Ain't around no more. I spent the summer going to reggae concerts and acting like I knew how to wind. Had I still been fucking with him, I probably could do a proper air horn. I'm from the fucking Midwest. I can get maybe a good five, 10-minute reggae set and then I'm ready to go. I'm like, "Okay, put on “Back That Ass Up.” Put on “Project Bitch.” Come on."
Kenrya: I got it if we stick with the classics, the crowd movers, the mainstream shit.
Erica: The problematic, gay-bashing ones? Yeah. Exactly.
Kenrya: That's hard to listen to at this point.
Erica: Exactly. I dated that guy that aligned closely with your roots reggae guy. I dated an indie musician. That summer was interesting, doing indie musician shit around the D.C. area. I don't like it. Dated some old nigga.
Kenrya: You always date old niggas.
Erica: That's par for the course, but anyway. I look back and it's so cringey. If y’all got a picture of some random EDM laser set DJ booth situation and you see a picture of me in the background, just know she was fucking with some nigga.
Kenrya: I went to a rave in D.C. and I got burned with a cigarette and I was like, "Fuck this, I'm leaving."
Erica: I got burnt with a cigarette at Dream and I felt like the nastiest ... Who the fuck gets burnt with a cigarette? It was on my arm, above my elbow, but on the outside. It clearly looked like a nigga put a cigarette out on my arm.
Kenrya: It did, put a cigarette out on you.
Erica: Then I'm at work trying to ... It's in the middle of the summer and I got my fucking cigarette burn arm.
Kenrya: Oh my gosh. Mine was on my hand. I left. I was like, "I'm not. This night's over."
Erica: You're like the dude in “Color Purple” that just shut down [inaudible 00:40:11].
Kenrya: Time to go!
Erica: Time to go!
Kenrya: Do you know how often I say that to myself? You also know that I will leave anywhere anytime.
Erica: Any-fucking-where. I saw a meme on Instagram, it was a picture of a dude that was like, "This is a universal sign I should've drove," or something like that. I saw it and I was like, "I miss being somewhere angry, mad that I didn't drive."
Kenrya: This is always why I always drive or I'm prepared to fucking Lyft home.
Erica: Here it's no big deal. If you in St. Louis, if you somewhere, you just stuck, bruh.
Kenrya: That's why I rent a car every time I go home, because I don't want to be on nobody else's schedule. Even if I'm here for literally a day, I got a car.
Erica: Having a hotel room is clutch because you're like, "I got to go change. I'll be back." I'm in there-
Kenrya: I don't even say that. [crosstalk 00:41:10].
Erica: ... with HBO watching me.
Kenrya: No no no. Remember when I first started going home again after I got into therapy and I had to put together my survival plan, and part of it is to always have a place of my own to lay my head and to always have my own vehicle and to not buy other niggas food, because then you end up buying food for a house full of niggas.
Erica: I do that. I do that. I do that because also my family is one of them, when I go home ... The first time I went home with my son, we had one suitcase, and he was gone with somebody else the whole time, so he was carrying stuff in a little trash bag, a little grocery bag. Now we're at the point when we travel there, he has his bag, I have my bag. The minute we get there, he's like one of my nieces and nephews, like, "Oh hey! Did you sleep well? Where y’all been?" It's like I don't even got a child until I get back, until we headed to the airport.
Kenrya: That's real. My kid often stays with my dad when I'm ... I'll be in my room by myself and it's lovely.
Kenrya: I have a question that goes a little bit back to what we were talking about before. We talked about how our families have been supportive or not or whatever when we were first starting dating. What's that look like for you now?
Erica: I don't invite them in much. Right after surgery, my aunt came and visited.
Kenrya: Oh, shit. I remember this.
Erica: My aunt came to visit. Then I had my guy friends, different guy friends coming by. They could either be a platonic guy friend or a guy friend that we was fucking. He just come and make sure I'm doing fine. Every single time my aunt was googly-eyed, like, "Oh, who's this? What's your name?"
Kenrya: She also did that with my partner. She also felt up.
Erica: Don't put it on the record, because he still say he going to sue. I think now that I'm older, I think my family has this like, "Erica's got to get married," or they want to see me partnered, because to them that's like, "She's got the house. She's got the kid. She had a divorce. Next things next is finding the right partner." It's like, yeah, that'd be cool, but I'm not in a rush. I had to have a frank discussion with my aunt. My mother's passed away, so that's why I refer to my aunts. I had to have a frank discussion with my aunt right after I got a divorce about the fact that I'm just fucking. These are guys that are nice and they're good friends, but we have sex, and I don't expect it to turn into anything. I don't want it to turn into anything. It took her a minute. By the end of the weekend she was like, "I wonder if I could have sex with [inaudible 00:44:31]."
Erica: Also, I recognized that in the family, I am one of the straitlaced, "She did well." All my cousins are doing well in their own lanes, but I was one that went off to college and yada yada.
Erica: I legitimize some things sometimes. Everybody in my family smoke weed, all the nieces and nephews. Everybody smoke weed. They thought that I didn't. I was like, "Nah, I smoke weed, and I have a really good job, and I'm doing well for myself." It went from smoking dope and reefer, like, "You smoke dope, don't you?" to like, "Some people smoke marijuana to relax and calm their anxieties." I try to be open about those things with my family, especially just as it comes to relationships, like, "I'm figuring it out," or, "I don't know," because I want them to see that. I want them to see all sides of me. I'm being more intentional about having them see all that makes up Erica. When I met my ex-husband, my mama was all googly-eyed over him. She was really supportive. My mom was more of a, "Bitch, if it tickles your pickle, I'm down for it." I think they're just more on the, "Let's find Erica a man," tip, but I made it very clear that life is good, nigga, it's real good, so I ain't finding no man that ain't worth disturbing this peace.
Kenrya: That's not going to make it even better.
Erica: Exactly. What about your family now?
Kenrya: They're really good. They're super supportive. They country. If it's my mom, she call my daughter her baby, and then what does she call him? I don't know. Some variant of that that makes it clear that she's talking about the man and not the child, "Where he at? What he doing? Put him on the phone." Then I got to go to the ... My family's super welcoming of really everybody.
Erica: I do know.
Kenrya: Everybody's like family.
Erica: Your daddy be like, "You want to leave your son here too?" I'm like, "We're going to another city." "He can stay until you get back!"
Kenrya: It's a very welcoming family. My dad loves having all the kids-
Erica: House full of kids.
Kenrya: ... around him. That's his shit. They're all just very in all the time. My dad, he's really my rock when it comes to stuff like that. When I have panic attacks, he's the one who talks me through them. Very often they were tied to relationship stuff. My PTSD is triggered by raggedy niggas. When I be up in the middle of the night all fucked up, he's the one who I can call and he would sit and talk me down so that I can go to sleep. It didn't used to be that way. It used to be that because I carried so much shame around the relationships that I had been in and the things that I felt like I had allowed to happen to me before I realized that those things are not in my control and that me having shame over something that somebody else does is stupid and that being vulnerable will allow me to have the support that I need to get through those things.
Kenrya: I wouldn't tell him when things were bad. When I was with men who were abusive in a lot of different ways, I wouldn't tell him, in part because I was ashamed, and because I wasn't sure what I was going to do and I didn't want him looking at me crazy, or sometimes because I didn't want him to hurt anybody, depending on his age and mine at the time. Even when I had an abortion, I didn't tell him, because I thought that he would feel a way, because he is socially conservative in that way, or at least he was.
Kenrya: It wasn't until I did a lot of work on myself and was able to have those really honest conversations with him that I was able to understand just how much he was in my corner. He told me he was really sad, and not in a manipulative way, but just a genuine, "Damn, I wish you had felt, and I'm sorry that I didn't do enough to make you know that you could always come to me, especially when shit is extra shitty." Knowing that makes it that much easier for me to go to him when things are rough. His only real way in at this point, not now that I'm in a relationship, but when I was dating, when I was on all the apps, he never wanted me to swipe on a cop. Military and cops he was very fucking-
Erica: ACAB, hashtag.
Kenrya: Very anti-
Erica: Hash brown.
Kenrya: Like, "No, nigga." He's always worried that they're going to have PTSD and fuck me up or that they have access to weapons. Domestic violence in cops-
Erica: Is really high.
Kenrya: ... is super high. That's a very real concern. I dated a military attorney at some point. He was like, "I'm here, but you need to shut that shit down." That's the only time when my daddy's like, "Nah, son."
Erica: I was going to say that. I didn't share the lows of relationships, and not that I share too much of the details, because I also recognize when I am saying one thing to my family, I'm speaking into this mic and talking to the entire world. I was hesitant to take my L's publicly with my family. When I decided to separate from my ex-husband, I didn't tell my family for months. I think we separated in November and I think I might've told them-
Kenrya: Yes, it was November.
Erica: It was definitely November. I think I told them maybe March, April. I talk to somebody in my family-
Kenrya: Every day.
Erica: ... easily once a day. My sister knew, and she knew to keep it quiet. She might've told them, but they ain't say nothing to me, just because it was one of those things where I felt like I needed to figure it out without extra noise. I have gotten a lot better at placing those boundaries with my family where I wouldn't hesitate to tell them now, just because they know, if I say, "I don't need your input," I will hang up on you before you keep talking. I'm a lot more willing to take my L's, because when I did tell them, they were like, "Everything was so perfect!" It was like, "No, not really, this shit's been breaking down for years, and I just didn't share it with y’all." I try to live my life with my family, but also just among friends and just in life, as an open book, more to help ... I hate to sound like I am a martyr and I need people to know and serve as an example, but I want to serve as an example of somebody just trying to figure this shit out as she goes along with pure intentions. Sometimes that shit works and sometimes it don't.
Kenrya: We've talked about this on this show I think with a guest last season. So much of how your family said, "Everything was perfect," that's so much of what everyone presents online. People, especially younger folks, get this idea that for a relationship to be great, it has to be perfect, and that there are never any lows and there are never any days when you want to wring a nigga's neck.
Erica: I just got on TikTok. I do not post dances.
Kenrya: Okay, old bitch.
Erica: I know, I am the old bitch, but I love just scrolling through, because the kids these days-
Kenrya: Our friends in our group, y’all keep posting in-
Erica: They are funny.
Kenrya: I just watched a bunch of those this morning and I didn't think they were that funny, but all right.
Erica: Actually, I will tell you, there is another group that you're not even on, and literally all we do is swap TikToks.
Kenrya: Yes, please leave me.
Erica: Oh, we know that you don't. When it's conversation, we go back to that same group, but when we doing just TikTok swaps, it's another one.
Kenrya: That's fine.
Erica: I've noticed that there are tons of couples on TikTok that make these cute little things, and then it makes everyone want to ... I feel like because I have a young person
Kenrya: You get into that goals thing, all that bullshit.
Erica: ... who I adore. She is just so sweet and cute and smart and all of that. She's in a relationship and serious about it. They've been together for years. I saw this meme on Instagram. It was like, "Girl, you 19, quit trying to be a wife and go be a hoe."
Kenrya: That's a whole word.
Erica: Yo, that is what it is, because now I think back about as we talk among our friend groups and stuff, not the ones that ... Were any in a long-term relationship? Shit, you!
Kenrya: Some of them felt like they lost out on their hoe years, but I had my hoe years.
Erica: You hear, "Oh my God, we were doing all this in college," and so-and-so be like, "I was at that nigga house. We was at the cookout," and that kind of thing. I have another young person in my life who is in a very serious relationship, but I see her doing bald-headed hoe shit with her girlfriends.
Kenrya: Oh, good.
Erica: I love it, because I'm like, "I don't want you to miss out on-"
Erica: "... living life."
Kenrya: Figuring out who the hell you are.
Erica: Exactly, because it's cute to be couple goals and stuff. Speaking of things missing out on, things we feel like we missed out on, we've talked about losing our virginity and our first sexual experiences and things. Not really our first sexual experiences but losing our virginity.
Kenrya: We talked about first anal.
Erica: I told you how I lost my virginity. You told me how you lost yours.
Kenrya: Waterbed. Yours was a waterbed situation.
Erica: You ain't got to give people those kind of details. You go back to the first episode and turn that on, y’all will hear about my waterbed experience. Anyway, the one thing that I loved about this scene that we read was that you could tell that their sexual exploration was full of desire. I feel like the first time I had sex, it was because I was more curious about it, as opposed to wanting. Now that I'm older, I know what it feels like to want some dick, like, "I want that dick in me-"
Kenrya: Right now.
Erica: "... now." Exactly. You can feel that written in what Fiona wrote between Ny and Duni. You could feel that she wanted that desire.
Kenrya: There's longing just jumping off the page there.
Erica: When I think back to my first time, it was definitely just a, "Here's a dick. Let's see how this goes." I, again, go back to just when I talk to my kids about sex and virginity, like, "I don't need you to wait until marriage. I want you to wait until-"
Kenrya: I don't even think that's a good idea.
Erica: "... you want to do it." I ain't fucking [crosstalk 00:56:56].
Kenrya: That's how you get stuck. No, thank you.
Erica: It was so cool how she wrote that. It just made me feel like I truly missed out on that. Again, now that I'm an adult, bitch. I definitely didn't feel that the first time that I had sex. It was not like a, "Oh, I need this thing." Because also I think that's part of what makes how it happens. It's like I'm feeling this pulsing down in my pussy. Have you seen that, it's this clip on Vine or something, and it's these two chicks, two white chicks, sitting in their car eating. It was a McDonald's mukbang and a chick has a plate of McDonald's hotcakes, and she pours syrup on it, and they both real quiet looking at her pouring syrup on it. Then she look at her girl friend, she said, "That made my pussy throb."
Erica: I hate it but I love it, because that's me. This is my total just Erica explanation. That's how sex the first time is good when it's like-
Kenrya: Yeah, but I wonder for how many people is that actually the case. I know for me, especially when you're younger, for me it was honestly dutiful. It was like we had been playing just the tip a little bit.
Erica: $5 a month level.
Kenrya: I was a planner. It was like, "Okay, it's prom night. I got this hotel room. I got condoms. I got spermicidal lubricant." Which I found out that day that I'm allergic to.
Erica: That just sounds like a raw pussy.
Kenrya: It was regular condoms with lubricant and then additional.
Erica: Exactly. That's why I'm like that sounds like a raw pussy.
Kenrya: I had very serious goals. I wasn't trying to get pregnant and trapped by no nigga, but did find out I was allergic to that. It was very much like, "Okay, this is the plan. I have to do the plan." By the time we got to that point, one part of it was that his expectation was there, because he'd been waiting all this time. My expectation was there, because I had been waiting for this perfect, quote unquote, moment, but prom was lackluster, because I was on the committee. I was tired. By the time we got back to the hotel I was exhausted. I ain't really feel like doing nothing, but the anticipation was there, because it was what I was supposed to do, and then it hurt. It was just like, "I'm doing this thing I'm supposed to do." I wasn't really feeling him that night. He wasn't a great date. I didn't have fun with him. There was no longing that I could no longer ignore.
Erica: Now that I think about it, my first kiss was the same way. I think it was more just curiosity. Again, this is why I think sex ed is so important with kids, because I really didn't have those conversations. I was like, "I wonder what it's going to be like." I think maybe you'll still have those, "I wonder what it's going to be like," when you know all the details about it.
Kenrya: Yeah, because it's still nothing-
Erica: That you got to experience.
Kenrya: [crosstalk 01:00:46] just going to feel. How old were you when you had your first kiss?
Erica: About 13, 14.
Kenrya: Bitch, I was in the second grade.
Erica: With the tongue?
Kenrya: I don't think so.
Erica: My first tongue kiss-
Kenrya: I don't remember tongue kiss.
Erica: Oh my God. My first tongue kiss, we talked about this with another guest.
Kenrya: With Rock Biter?
Erica: Yeah. My mama was gone. My mama was working. Rock Biter and his friend came over and was sitting on the couch. I could feel the scratchiness. We had one of those, not thread couches but you know.
Kenrya: I know exactly what you talking about.
Erica: Rock Biter still had on his coat, and he leaned over. This nigga's teeth was like this. He had a overlapped, crowded, crossbite teeth. He kissed me, and nigga, all it was was spit. I think I forever been scarred, because I still-
Kenrya: [crosstalk 01:01:56].
Erica: It was more I wanted to kiss him out of curiosity, because it wasn't even like we stole a kiss because we were so into each other. It's like we were sitting there and my mama wasn't home and so it was like, "Let's kiss." My brother was in the kitchen fighting his home boy over a box of Fruity Pebbles.
Kenrya: Dude, I don't remember my first real, real kiss.
Erica: Because it didn't scar you.
Kenrya: Or it did.
Erica: If I dumped a box of tarantulas in your lap, you'll remember that shit.
Kenrya: Not necessarily. The brain protects us. It's a lot of stuff I don't remember because it was traumatic.
Erica: Brain, why the fuck ain't you do that to me, because it's so hard for me to kiss people.
Kenrya: I've had some really bad kissing experiences, but I don't remember the first. I remember I kissed this dude who it was like he was trying to eat my face. He was really bad. He kept wanting to do it.
Erica: See, I think Rock Biter's teeth got in the way. He didn't know how to ...
Kenrya: Tuck them away.
Erica: Ah! Ah!
Erica: (singing) Okay. Speaking of things that get us wet ...
Kenrya: Nice transition.
Erica: We are going to now turn to our new segment called What's Turning Us On. The thing that is turning us on this week, I don't think I've shared this with you. I don't think you've used this, Kenrya. I remember we were talking a while back and you were saying after sex your partner jumps in the shower and he's washing all the toys and stuff. Sometimes a bitch don't feel like doing that, but you can't be having little crusty toys laying around. The thing that I really like that's turning me on is called Classic Erotica Before and After Adult Toy Cleaner. It's a spray. You spray it on your toys and you wipe it off and you can put them away. I always do a good cleaning once the weed wear off and I wake up or something. Sometimes post-sex, again, y’all know I'm anal and I got to brush my teeth, I got to do my skin care routine, all of that, but sometimes you want to just bask in the glow. It's nice having this toy cleaner, because you literally ... It reminds you of that spray.
Kenrya: You sound like them VSCO girls. I hate it. That's my life.
Erica: Let's not refer to VSCO girls as I discuss my sex toy cleaner.
Erica: It reminds you of that eyeglass spray.
Kenrya: That stuff works.
Erica: It's a spray and it's really good to clean your toys.
Kenrya: It's nontoxic? If you don't wash them with soap in between, you not going to be all itchy?
Erica: Yep. It kills germs, E. coli, staph, all of that. You can use it before and after on toys, because also I keep my toys in a big box. I have an extensive nipple clamp collection now.
Kenrya: Look at you.
Erica: Only for me to have nipples that can't-
Kenrya: Come over to the-
Erica: Only for me to have nipples that can't feel shit!
Kenrya: Maybe it'll ... I don't know.
Erica: It's going to literally ... I was on a message board, and someone was like, "10 years ago-"
Kenrya: It won't come back?
Erica: "10 years ago I had a mastectomy and I felt something in my titty for the first time today." Thankfully my titties will still be upright by then.
Kenrya: Sure will.
Erica: I have a bunch of nipple clamps that have feathers on them. Sometimes if I don't put those away right, then my dildo will have feathers on them. Having that spray is good to use before using it, just spray it off real quick and that kind of thing. I really like it, because it's 10 bucks. We'll include it on our website, a link on our website so that you can get it. It has made just getting nasty a lot less nasty, because if you got, like me-
Kenrya: That could be their slogan.
Erica: Getting nasty a lot less nasty, because also a lot of times with your toys you're using different lubes and then there's body juices and all of that, and you just want to spray them off and put them away and not think you going to come back to a-
Kenrya: Sticky mess.
Erica: Exactly. That's what's turning me on. You like it, Killa?
Kenrya: Yeah. It sounds dope. Actually, I think I will get some, because sometimes I do just want to spray it and throw it back in the bag.
Erica: Set it and forget it.
Kenrya: Forget it. On that note ...
Erica: This has been The Turn On, with your home girls Erica and Killa, two hoes-
Kenrya: Two hoes-
Erica: ... making it clap.
Kenrya: ... making it clap. No.
Erica: You didn't pull up your hands. Two hoes making it clap. Okay, never mind. Bye, y'all.
Kenrya: This episode was produced by us, Kenrya and Erica, and edited by B'Lystic. The theme song is from Brazy. We want to hear from y’all. Send recommendations for books you want us to read on the show and all the questions that you want us to answer related to sex and all the other stuff. You can send those to TheTurnOnPodcast@gmail.com. Please take a moment to review the show, five stars only please, and subscribe to us in your favorite podcast app. Then follow us on Twitter @TheTurnOnPod and Instagram @TheTurnOnPodcast and head over to TheTurnOnPodcast.com to find links to the books that we feature, transcripts of our shows and info on all the guests that we talk about. Bye.
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