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In this episode of The Turn On, Erica and Kenrya read K.A. Smith's "Parking" and talk about having car sex, keeping things fresh and remembering that you're a bad bitch.
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Kenrya: Come here, get off.
Erica: Okay y'all, welcome to this week's episode of The Turn On. This week we are reading “Parking,” which was written in 2014 by the fabulous K.A. Smith. So sit back, relax, get your wine, your weed and whatever you need and enjoy.
Kenrya: “Parking,” by K.A Smith. Vivian pulled the car to a stop on the street instead of pulling into our driveway. I lifted my hand, half asleep from the long drive home, and looked out the window. Even in the dark of night, I could see I needed to spend some time weeding near the fence. I made a mental note to take care of it tomorrow before it got too hot.
Kenrya: I looked over at Viv wondering only briefly why she hadn't just pulled up to the house. The 66 Charger grumbled harshly as we sat. I had never been crazy for this loud hunk of metal, but Viv loved it. And when she suggested we take it tonight, I couldn't find a reason not to. "Did you forget the garage clicker?" I leaned back against the headrest, a smile tugging at my sleepy mouth. She was always forgetting things. Just that morning she forgotten her wallet. I met her at the door, my short robe, breasts peeking out teasingly, "Did you forget something?" I waved her wallet in the air playfully. She ambled up the driveway, shaking her hand and grinning sheepishly. "No, I didn't forget," she said next to me now.
Kenrya: Her voice held a hint of desire, gravel thick and rough. She turned to look at me. Her eyes held the same sumptuous tone of flecks of gold shimmering. She’d cracked the window, letting a tendril of air curl inside. "Then just pull into the garage babe, I'm ready to get out of this dress." She raised her eyebrows suggestively, her cheeky grin hanging on her face. "I can help with that," her face implied. I looked her over in the driver's seat. She was a fine dapper gentle lady in her all-black suit. Viv was suave, laid back, but always thinking behind those almost black eyes. I let my vision feel with her moving over her slowly, wondering what thoughts she had working behind those intense orbs of hers.
Kenrya: “Let's stay here a minute.” She settled back into the lush leather seat after turning the ignition off. Her body tilted toward me at an angle. Viv propped one leg slightly in the curve of the low slung door and spread her legs a bit. The streetlights splashed across her lap accentuating her generous package. She put her hand on her thigh, spreading her fingers out. Her thumb twitching near her hardon, outlining its silhouette. "Come here," she said, her voice slipping into a lower register. She nodded me over with a cocky head tilt, still rubbing her leg beneath her slacks. Her firm thigh strained against the material. The air in the car was becoming thick and hot despite the vents she left open in the window. I felt the air pressing down on this, creating electricity from our heat.
Kenrya: Viv? I questioned, feigning surprise. I kept my voice low, but excitement and anticipation was creeping in on me. Was she attempting to seduce me? Are we parking right here in front of our house? "Come here," she said again. And this time she lifted my hand onto her lap and rubbed herself against me. She was hard. Vivian tried to maintain her composure not wanting to rush me all at the same time, but our engine was revved and far from idle. I felt the tiny hair stand all over my body, my sensor liquefying and rushing toward my car.
Kenrya: I kept my hand on her lap, absorbing her heat. "What do you want?" I asked, playing a flirter in my eyelashes. "You know what I want baby." Viv reached down between her legs quickly and pulled the lash to adjust the seat, grip, the seat rolled back to its furthest notch, fast with a hard stop. She stretched her legs out, spreading them even wider. Pressing deeper into my palm with a single upward thrust of her hips. The moving seat jostled me, jerking me along with her. She reclined the lumbar to a more comfortable position waiting. I bit down on my lip to quiet my surprise. Her quick movements made me giddy and a little bit flustered like a high school kid about to get in over her head. I was no longer drowsy from the car ride. Her spontaneity made my pulse thump in my ears.
Kenrya: I lifted my knees into my seat under my but so I could face her better. But I paused for a moment making my eye contact count. I've never done that before, I whispered lowly, grinning and leaning over her. If this is what she wanted then she'd have to let me play my part. I worked my hand along the shaft of her cock slowly, grinding my palm against her so she could feel everything my fingers were about to do to her. I want her to understand my intention. She groaned and let her hair fall back against the seat pushing into my hand, "Come on Stace, don't be a tease." A smile played on her face as she said it, such a corny weak line to try to persuade me, but I knew what she was doing and I couldn't help but smile too.
Kenrya: Viv put her hand on my thigh kneading me through the skirt of my dress. Her touch caused a heat in me like no other lover ever had. It was instantaneous, sparking, igniting, and then spreading all over me as soon as she placed as much as a finger on me. She knew my body better than I did. Fifteen years together and her kisses still made me dizzy. Her touch me all of my nerve endings spire rapidly until I was completely spent. She held me at the waist, spider walking her fingers up to the sides of my dress.
Kenrya: She pulled it down slowly, then slipped her hand inside catching only bare skin. I didn't wear a slip or a bra. She found out quickly just how naked I was underneath my black chiffon and sequins. She murmured deeper in her throat. Both my nipples tightened to peak as Viv trailed her fingertips over my skin. She pinched at my breasts as her fingers made their way to my sharp, stiff nipples. Rolling my tip between her fingers, she administered more for persuasive techniques. "What if the neighbors see?" I whisper. "They won't baby, I promise." Viv was right. The way she parked at the end of our driveway had us between a row of hedges with the streetlamp behind us.
Kenrya: I looked out the rear window then back at her, she must have been thinking about this for a while, me and her swaddled than a darkness of the front seat of our car. She slipped my dress far enough off my shoulder so it fell to my waist. Our breast dangled free, and she kept one in her hand, twisting and teasing me with firm pressure from her fingers. "Please, Stacey, I got a feel you on me, baby." Her voice was all tension and knots and liquid desire. I want us to prolong this tantalizing pleasure, but I was just as worked up as she was, the confined space at the front seat, the gear shift pressing into my thigh made me tingle. It had been a long time since I parked in the car and fogged up the windows with a cute girl.
Kenrya: And here we were in our after gala finery and the car outside of our house acting like two teenagers who might get caught fooling around. I wondered if this was in her plan from the beginning tonight. She took a painstakingly longer time to get ready than usual. I was well into my dress and heels before she was dressed for the fundraiser. No, this couldn't have just occurred to her on the way home. Thinking about her premeditated actions had me squirming in my seat. I unzipped her trousers with one flick of the wrist, tucking my hand inside for a quick feel. Oh, she definitely planned this little seduction. The silk of her briefs whispered against my palm.
Kenrya: She was packing something special just for me, a piston to deliver a series of long, hard strokes. How she's been so calm, cool and collected all night as I whisked her around the room of the museum, introducing her to people was such a rod in her pants? With her hand firmly tucked in mine, she hadn't given me any inclination of what was in store for me. Vivian helped me pull her cock out and on first glance at her thick member my cunt paused and a moan escaped my throat. I nibble my lips a little, wet in my mouth preparing. I wrapped my hand around a base of her cock watching Viv rock her hips slowly. I leaned in, settling into position over her. She was impatient, rocking and thrusting her hips upward to meet my lips.
Kenrya: With her hand firmly on the back of my neck, she guided me down over her. I licked the tip wetting it real good. I felt her eyes had on me and I knew she liked it when I coated her shaft in a thick layer of saliva. Viv held herself still as I took her into my mouth inch by inch. She filled my heart whole, soul completely. There was hardly any room for my tongue to work. A tongue underside of her cock as I took it in and out. I wrapped my lips around her tits, swirling and licking with my tongue listening to her cool, then took her in again all the way to the base.
Kenrya: With one hand I got the button of her trousers completely undone, freeing her. She lifted at her hips, pushing her pants further down. I continue sucking on her hard cock, sneaking my hand inside her clothes. Beneath her boxers I found her slick, so much so that her short hairs and outer lips were coded in her wet juice. I inhaled the heavy aroma of her cunt, then I played with her wetness, teasing and stroking her with a light touch. Then with the back of my fingers, I nudged and prodded her with my knuckles and took her deep into my mouth and back out again and again. Her secret held tightly behind her lips all night, must've been more than enough to arouse her to such state.
Kenrya: The feel of her silky drawers rubbing against her ass and pussy lips the entire evening, bringing her closer and closer to climax as the night wore on had made her delirious with want. I curl my fingers over her mound, spreading her lips slightly. She spread her legs wide giving me more room to slip inside. Her hips thrust into my touch pushing her cock deep into my throat. Any further and I might gag but she felt so good and smooth inside me, I didn't dare stop. I slipped a finger into her, her lips partying easily for me. Her breath huffed in and out and short choppy guffs, clouding the windows. She could try to hold off her climax as much as she wanted, but I wanted to feel her clench tight around my fingers and her hips bucking wildly. I wanted her to cum, and I knew exactly how to get her off.
Kenrya: I thrust inside her drenched cunt. Two fingers then three. She coded my fingers with each pulse inside of her. She threw her head back against the headrest grunts and a grown rising from her throat. Her sounds roar and unrestrained kept me pumping inside of her into her cry of pleasure echo throughout the hot dank car. Thumbing her clit and slipping a fourth finger insider resulted in an immediate release. She gripped my ass as her orgasm took her again. Her cunt gushed warm sat from her pussy all over my hand. "Stacey, baby, oh." She jerked as my fingertips massage the plush center of her G-spot and a come-hither flick of my fingertips.
Kenrya: She writhed beneath me so hard I banged into the steering wheel, my elbow hitting the horn and startling us boat. I let out a garbled shriek, then immediately burst out laughing her cock sliding from my mouth. Viv's booming laughter rolled off her tongue interspersed with heavy breathing. Her body shook beneath me, shaking me as well. My hands flew to my mouth, trying to stifle my laughter, but there was no reigning it in. Vivian reclined with one arm, cradling her head and the other hand tracing a line over my ear to my jaw. Even in the dark her face was bright with an ear-to-ear smile. She tried to catch her breath, sweat beads breaking out over her upper lip as I straddled her lap, pushing my high crotch into her. Hmm, I leaned in for a kiss, letting her taste herself on my mouth. Her tongue wrestled with mine, pushing and fluttering inside my mouth. Hmm, she groaned blowing over my lips. I've been waiting all night for some time alone with you.
Erica: Okay y'all, so welcome back. Damn, I just realized all I do is say, "Okay, y'all so," that's my-
Kenrya: That's your thing.
Erica: Now that we've been doing like Instagram videos [crosstalk 00:14:46] and stuff. I say, "Okay y'all so," and I realized that I say that because the caption thing that we use edits it to, okay also. Anyway, okay y'all, so welcome back. That was “Parking” by K.A. Smith, which was written in 2014. This is a short story, but we had to condense it in order to kind of not have y'all sit in listening for-
Kenrya: The whole time.
Erica: The whole time. Just a little, I don't know why I want to say non sequitur, what is wrong with me today? We're recording a little later than normal and I don't have any alcohol. I was thinking I was going to have a glass of champagne or something tonight.
Kenrya: No. Are you're off meds?
Erica: I've been off meds since Saturday.
Kenrya: Okay. Nevermind.
Erica: Yeah. Okay. Anyway, so a little summary.
Kenrya: Bitch, wait I had a dream I was drinking last night. No, you know I haven't had a drink in ...
Erica: I know, so why are you dreaming about drinking?
Kenrya: I don't know, I mean I ain't drinking like that.
Erica: Oh, you were like drinking, drinking.
Kenrya: I mean not like drunk, but enjoying an alcoholic beverage and talking to my friends, which is not a thing I do.
Erica: I realized today was the day that I got the call that it was cancer. And so I was like, a bitch deserves a little some something.
Kenrya: With your dinner.
Erica: But I want a big nasty burger.
Kenrya: Enjoy it.
Erica: Okay. We are going to tell the summary of the story, a good summation of the story. Long story short, this story is about two women. They've been together for a really long time. They go out one night to, I guess it's some fancy event. And fancy event is over, they're coming back, pulling up at the crib and it's like, "Ooh, let's get in, I'm trying to get out this girdle" But old girl's wife was like, "Uh-uh, you're going to get out this girdle, but we're going to get out of it together in the car."
Kenrya: Yeah, the throwback situation.
Erica: Yeah. And, okay, like I said, one of the things I loved about this is because it reminded me of going to fancy events for work and stuff. And literally I didn't do a lot of that with my husband, but I definitely with my girlfriends or dates or whatever. And I always remember leaving and being in an elevator with some random white couple, random person, with like one shoe off, my gut hanging over my Spanx, like, woo. I mean, you look at some other woman who was like, she'll put together and she's like, "Girl, me too."
Kenrya: There's solidarity in that moment.
Erica: It is. You know what? It is like that whole like. One of my things that I've loved lately is on TikToK. There's this audio and it's like, "Girl, I got to go, I'm doing hot girl shit."
Kenrya: Is that the one where she had her grandma doing the hot girl shit? Oh.
Erica: No. This one is just like women and they're like, "Girl, I got to go. I'm doing hot girl shit." And then it cuts to Megan Thee Stallion Girls in the Hood, "fuck being good, I'm a bad bitch." But then it was women doing like, taking off their bra. It's like, "Girl, I got to go. I'm doing hot girl." Bitch, that's why you got to follow.
Kenrya: I know I've seen that sound but the ones that I saw was like, it was one with a family dancing.
Erica: I literally sent you one.
Kenrya: There was one.
Erica: No, I literally sent you one. I literally sent you one because it was like, girl, I got to go, I'm doing hot girl shit. And it cuts to the chick and she's in the mirror popping ingrown hair in her bikini. And I'm like-
Kenrya: It me.
Erica: Yes, this is hot girl shit. I love it because it's always like some oddly specific thing-
Kenrya: The ring is really true.
Erica: ... that all women do. And that I'm like, the whole going to a gala, coming home and being like, "Ooh."
Kenrya: Get up and shit.
Erica: Let me uncase this sausage from this little brain.
Kenrya: Listen, I got to say, 2020, obviously dumpster fire, lit on fire with kerosene and whatever accelerator you can think of. But it's also the year that I may have given up bras almost entirely forever.
Erica: Bitch, bras and draws.
Kenrya: Oh yeah, now I haven't worn underwear…
Erica: I wear men's boxer briefs around the house. They're my pajama pants and my pajama bottoms or whatever. I've started just wearing them out.
Kenrya: Okay. That's [inaudible 00:20:12].
Erica: I mean, oh, no, no, not like out out, but I've worn them out under clothes occasionally, if I'm running to the grocery store and I have on a thin, I have various joggers. I might have one under joggers and I'm just like, "Erica, this is not bad bitch."
Kenrya: I mean, who cares?
Erica: But they're so comfy. So yeah, I can't even imagine going back to life.
Kenrya: I just don't, I mean life, yes sure, but not life that involves restrictive underclothing. I just don't want to do it. And yo, I wore that sheer shirt for our live show and I had to wear a bra, because I had to put the girls somewhere. And the first bra I put on, girl, it barely covered the nipple. I've gained so much weight and my titties have gotten so much bigger. And I literally laughed because the bra was laughing at me.
Erica: All you could do is just laugh this shit out like you know what. I haven't seen “WALL-E,” but the one thing that I know about “WALL-E” is that the humans in that movie, that Disney movie “WALL-E.” The humans in the movie they're all like blobs in chairs, in hovers scooters or something, because they can't move, because they literally just sit around. And I kind of feel like that's me because I'm not moving as much as I should be. And so I had my foot surgery and so I got my left monkey paw taken care of.
Erica: I'm in bed doing, not crunches but leg lifts and that kind of stuff. And not even from, I need to look good because I feel like we're all going to come out of this and just be happy we look. And then we're like, girl, that dent in your ass from sitting [inaudible 00:22:21].
Kenrya: Look good.
Erica: You look good [inaudible 00:22:24]. I mean, I think we're all coming out, are going to come out of this, just happy we made it. I don't feel like there's this-
Kenrya: Good, no pleasure, no.
Erica: ... crazy need to like ... I mean, this is me now. I'm like, later on. But right now I don't feel there's this crazy need to look a particular way. I'm so thankful. I'm so focused on the experiences and what's going to happen. And so I'm like, "Bitch, my body needs to be healthy, so I can walk to this secluded ass beach and lay out for a day." That's how my brain is thinking.
Kenrya: That's true.
Erica: I don't know how we got here.
Kenrya: We're talking about undergarments and the fact that they are-
Kenrya: ... restrictive tools of the patriarchy that are meant to-
Erica: Tools of the patriarchy.
Kenrya: Yeah, they force us into thinking that the way that our things stay on their own is not okay.
Erica: The things be thanging. I have a good amount of pasties to cover up my-
Kenrya: Well, also you don't have to wear bras anymore.
Erica: That's it. You don't need to.
Kenrya: Well, yes, this is true, but also your titties don't hang down in the way that mine do anymore. But I've also just decided I don't care. I mean, I had a bunch of doctor's appointments yesterday, did I wear a bra? I might've worn a sports bra. I've also gotten some really comfortable sports bras that I wear when I walk or whatever. And so sometimes if I feel so inclined, yesterday I had to do an EKG. I had to do all this stuff, so I was having to constantly take off my clothes. And so I was like, "I'd rather not have my nipples out and flinging around everywhere." So I'll choose a sports bra, which at least feels a little bit less restricted but underwear, no.
Erica: I generally wear sports bras to bed because I had my incident with-
Kenrya: Moving around.
Erica: ... titty moving around, my implant moving around in my chest. I generally wear sports bras to sleep just because am a wild sleeper, I move a lot. And then I wear a sports bra when I'm working out. But during the daytime, that's when I'm letting it loose. And out of this winter, so you can't like I'm wearing something heavy, so you can't see. Bitch, free the titty. Free tit. Okay. Speaking of underpinnings and things under your body, under your clothing. One of the big things that was great in this story was how I don't even remember the characters names. Oh my goodness. How the characters surprise Viv and Stacey. Okay, so Viv was a partner with the surprise. Stacey was the one narrating the story.
Erica: And so Viv surprised Stacey with a special surprise in her underpinning. She was wearing a strap the whole night, and then Stacey realized that once they got home, well, once they got parked and started their whole process. And I was like, "Oh, this is great."
Kenrya: It's like on Twitter when you open for a surprise.
Kenrya: I was like, "Hey, surprise."
Erica: Hey, open for a surprise. And I love it because it took like just the basic night and then turned it ... At that point I could just only imagine Stacey like, "Oh, shit." And went back to various points in the night knowing that Viv had this surprise for her. Oh, I love it. That was my chef's kiss. Do you think, have you done any little surprises like that throughout the night or?
Kenrya: Oh, I have. But I mean it's like lingerie that was unexpected, that kind of thing. So some with the nipples out of it or that kind of thing or crotchless or whatever. So that like once we got alone and that may not have ... they may or not have been back into a home. There was a little surprise to reveal that I was hiding all night. And what I like about it is it makes ... for me it tunes me into my own sexuality and my own feelings kind of way, so I'm bothered by the time it's already.
Erica: So by the time ... so he might even notice because he's like, "Damn, what's wrong with your [crosstalk 00:27:03]."
Kenrya: Yeah. Y'all sliding round and shit. Yeah. Also it's not just a surprise for my partner's surprise, it's cool for me too. How about you?
Erica: Yeah. With me it's really hard. I hate surprises because I like to know everything. I want to know all that's going on, I want to know what's coming around the corner. But I love giving surprises, but I'm also really horribly giving surprises because it's like, I want you to have the joy. I need you to experience this joy now. I told my brother today like, "You want to know what I got you for Christmas?" He was like, "No." I said, "Well, I'm going to show you." He was like, "No." So I did not.
Erica: It took a lot, I didn't do it. Okay. Shit. Anyway-
Kenrya: No, we've been having the same struggle on the scene. He's like, "Well, just tell me one thing and then I'll tell you one thing." And I'm like, "I like to be surprised, so no. Thanks." I literally did not, but he just wants to know so bad.
Erica: Oh, okay. My problem is I'll do something like that and then-
Kenrya: Maybe later regret it.
Erica: ... literally come out the bathroom and be like, "I ain't got on draws." Well, I mean, which is still great. I mean, well, first you're going to have no bras. Okay, whatever. But it still works because I might say it as we're walking out the door. So now you got to think about it with me. I'm like, "Okay, I got this surprise. We got this surprise. So what we going to do with it later on?" I have done that. One time, oh God, damn, sorry, I have first 48 on, and they are molly whopping the shit out of this girl.
Kenrya: Are they in Cleveland? You know they be in Cleveland.
Erica: Anyway, you know what actually, I think it is. I am almost positive, it's like a bar fight, not a bar fight, it's a club fight.
Kenrya: Very often that is how they are.
Erica: And I'm almost positive this is Cleveland.
Kenrya: It's like Cleveland, Miami police.
Erica: Yeah, Cleveland police. Yeah, Cleveland. Anyway, so one time I was out with this guy and we were, and I had bought some lingerie and so I found that different guys that I've dated have different lingerie styles. Some be like, "No, fuck it. I don't like lingerie." There was this one guy I was with who like, you know how you would see lingerie, Frederick's of Hollywood lingerie and be like, "Who the fuck would wear this shit?" He liked that.
Kenrya: I don't care.
Erica: He likes the nastier the fucking better. He wants skank. He wants like whole freak, nasty lingerie. And that just wasn't my style, but he liked it, so I buy it, well, he buy it and I wear. Anyway, so one night we were out, we were meeting for drinks or something then going to go back to the hotel and fuck. He texts me and says, "Hey, I'm pulling up. I'm in a hotel lobby." And as he walks in, I text him a link to lingerie that I had on which didn't look like-
Kenrya: Like you had, right.
Erica: Yeah. Anyway, he was like, "What's this?" And I was like, "I'll be wearing that," or something like that. And so he came in and I was in a dress and then he looked and was like, "Oh, okay." And then we were meeting people-
Kenrya: That's cute.
Erica: ... so that was fun and cute little thing to ... Because again, I want people ... I need to be like, "What you doing? You like it? You like it?" Kenrya is laughing because she knows this is exactly how I am. I was literally texting her pictures of the gift that I got her daughter for Christmas, because I'm so excited.
Kenrya: That's true.
Erica: Anyway, so yeah, I love the idea of that silent surprise and the strap was that. I'm going to try to discuss this in a non-problematic way and I will. And look, y'all ain't going to be crucifying my ass or I'm going to my edit this out if it is problematic. But anyway, during our live show we had a VIP experience for some of our very important listeners. And during the VIP experience, we did this game where we were talking about pervatables and we had people find stuff around the house. The judge was one of our play cousins, well, not even one of our play cousins of the show-
Kenrya: The play cousin of the show.
Erica: ... our only play cousin of the show. The play cousin of the show. And someone had pervatable that had a phallic object.
Kenrya: I don't know which one you're talking about, I think there was more than one.
Erica: It was ice cream scooper or whatever.
Kenrya: Oh yeah.
Erica: And so the [inaudible 00:32:48] shows like, look, I'm a lesbian, but I still appreciate it. And I was like, "Thank you for saying that.” And I think another ... We had a guy on that was just like, "Ooh, I didn't think about that." And so I liked the idea of how the strap was a part of the story, because it's like, just because you're ... and this is where I'm trying not to sound problematic, so stop me Kenrya, do this. But I think it was great to show in the story that just because they're two women that don't mean they don't want to like fuck a hole, right?
Kenrya: Yes. I mean, I will say of course the flip side of that is that very often people think that the only way that people without penises can have sex is to introduce a fake one, right. But that doesn't mean that having that be a part of your toolbox means that that's the only thing that you like, right. It was cool to see in this case, and it was not what they always use, right, and the way that they always see it.
Erica: And I was about to say, I feel like it was great because it seemed like it was a surprise like, "Ooh, we doing this today because we don't necessarily always do that." And also like, again, just because you're lesbian don't mean you hate dicks, like no, a lot of times dick is good, it's the person being attached to the motherfucker that's a problem.
Kenrya: Yeah. And I mean they treated the strap really in the same way that a dildo would be treated in some other story with a straight couple or whatever, it was a tool. And it was fun and it was a surprise, but it wasn't like this is the only way that we know how to get off. This is a way that we add something different in this moment to the way that we have sex, and that was pretty fucking cool.
Erica: Yeah, I liked it, I thought it was dope. And again, I loved the little sexy surprise, just like, hmm, hmm, hmm. And so kind of the main idea of this story is that this was a couple that had been together for a long time and they wanted to spice things up and do something a little different. So not only was the, "Hey, we're going to park. Hey, I'm going to hide my strap under my clothes and surprise you with it." Because they could have did that at home. They also decided to park. Did they park in front of the house or was it a few doors down?
Kenrya: In front of the house, yeah.
Erica: Okay. In my mind it was a few doors down but now I'm like-
Kenrya: It was something they had just like-
Erica: But I'm like, "Niggas don't park in front of their neighbor's house to fuck." Anyway, yeah. They decided to spice things up and I thought that was really great of Viv to think of, okay, how are we going to make this feel a little special, a little different.
Kenrya: A little risqué, add a little bit of, oh, we could get caught in here, because ain't nobody catching you in your own bedroom, little extra.
Erica: Your kids, but yeah. Talk about a cock blocker, but yeah. And I think that we ... Let's be honest, no matter how much you love your partner, shit get old after a while, it can. And so I think that I'm going to say, yeah, things can get old after a while. And so I think it's great to come up with different ways to keep things spicy. And it could be just as simple as like, we always fuck in our bed, let's go fuck in the front, on the couch. I thought that was super sexy for her to pull out the fancy car and park in front of the neighbor's house, not in front of the neighbor's house, but in my mind is in front of the neighbor's house.
Kenrya: Even if it had been in their driveway or any of that. I mean, it's just fun. I don't like to use the word, old, I like to use the word routine. I feel like it's a little bit more accurate, right?
Erica: Yeah. Because you can be with somebody for three months and the shit get-
Kenrya: Right, because you find ways that both of you come and then you just go straight to those and there's no mixing it up and whatever. And I don't think there's anything wrong with knowing the ways that work because a good ... we can both get off in 10 minutes has a very good place in your arsenal.
Erica: Yeah. Again, I don't need you fucking my brains out.
Kenrya: I don't want it actually. That's not for me because I get sore.
Erica: These tissues are delicate.
Kenrya: And they are. But yeah, like you said, a change of location can mean a lot of things, a very small variance in a position can also really change things up. All of the little tiny changes that can change the way that you relate to your person that makes it go from feeling routine to feeling really cool and new.
Erica: And I think that making use of what you got and what's around the house.
Erica: I think, especially-
Erica: What did you say? Pervatables. Did we talk about pervatables? We talked about pervatables in some show.
Kenrya: We talked about it on episode seven, [inaudible 00:38:27].
Erica: Yes. Okay. So we don't have to give the glossary again. Go back to episode seven to learn about pervatables. But yeah, I think that especially now where we're living in the age of COVID, we're living in a panoramic, I keep referring to it as a panoramic now. Now that we're living in panoramic where it's a lot more difficult, so you can't go out to the club. Because one of my favorite things to do with the partner is go out, get drunk, come home. And I mean, not that drunk is a part of it. Go out, have a good time, party and then come home and be like, "I'm going to tear that shit up." On the way home flirting, giving head in the car, that kind of thing. And because we can't do it now and I'm like, I got partners to do this with. But because we can't do it now, I feel like there probably is some routine in sex. Do you feel like your sex has become routine because of the panoramic or do you think that because you're home more, y'all got more time to like really-
Kenrya: I don't actually think we have more time because there's a kid here all the time, so no. And I don't think it's ... no, I don't. I do think that we've gotten better at popping in for the quickie. I think our first year maybe he had more to prove, and so we was having. You know what I mean? And I-
Erica: He was like, I got to imprint on this pussy.
Kenrya: Listen, I don't have to. We got a long time, we can, you know; for example, over last weekend, we went a couple of times in a day and they weren't long sessions, but God, it was just so good. And it wasn't anything extra special or out of the ordinary necessarily. It's just really nice to connect in that way, even when shit is shitty around. But no, I wouldn't say it's become routine. It's just still fun. I hope it stays forever.
Erica: Okay. All right. We'll have to pose that question. I mean, I think we've gotten a few live questions from our listeners in our grab bags and stuff about that, but I'd like to hear if people feel like being at home in this pandemic has been helpful or a little more challenging on the sex that they have with their partner.
Kenrya: Yeah, it has given us less time. I'm thinking about it, it used to be ... Sometimes we would have an afternoon session while my daughter was at school. We would have lunch and we'd have sex on the couch. We don't get to do that anymore because class is in my office.
Erica: Yeah. And I'm also thinking like, we're at home all the time, so now I see that you chew with your mouth open or-
Kenrya: Oh, no.
Erica: ... more, something like that.
Kenrya: But yeah, I bet you there are people who are a little disgusted. Like, "Nigga, oh, so you clip your toenails every time you watch this TV show. Can you do that in that room?"
Erica: Again, TikToK. Is it TikTok or Instagram? There was something that was dating before the world. It's like trying to find a cuddle buddy before we go into the second wave or into this next thing. And it's like, my name is so-and-so, these are my shows, this is how I chew. Give me the basics. Let's see if we can make it to March together.
Kenrya: Yeah, that's real.
Erica: It's the ghetto. You don't have to be happy that you're not slumming, Kenrya. You don't have to slum like us.
Kenrya: I am, I am very happy I'm fucked up on that front. This has been a beautiful thing actually being in a good relationship during the panny.
Erica: Yeah. Because honey I'm just out here just-
Erica: Yeah, damn. And the thing is like, I have a bubble, but it would be like ... This vaccine needs to come and it needs to come quick and need to like ... I was reading somewhere that we're not going to get ... they don't think we'll have a significant amount of folks vaccinated till summer.
Kenrya: Late summer, yeah, that's what I read too. That's going to be a while. And y'all we’re recording this in December.
Erica: It has been this way since March.
Erica: Okay. There were probably a lot of people in winter of 2019 that was like, "Hey, I got to get me a cuddle buddy to make it through the winter." I'm like two of them motherfuckers. I should have been thinking.
Kenrya: No, because then you could've ended up like one of these motherfuckers writing into The Read talking about, “So should I break up with this nigga now or later?” You're stuck with somebody awful, because you didn't want to be alone.
Erica: Woo. Yeah, you're preaching a word. Okay. When you're together for a while, and kind of touch on this with our guests that we have next week. But sometimes you got to be reminded of things. You lose sight of the fact that you got a bad bitch, you got a bad nigga. And I like that Viv was like, "Come on, Stacey boo. Don't forget this is some hard shit." I wanted to know with you Kenrya. I mean, I know you and your partner, maybe this is your bad, this situation. But think dig deep back about like, how have you reminded your partners in the past of like, "Oh, don't forget, you got a bad bitch." And sometimes it might be unappreciative and other times it might be like they know it and they just, like need to.
Kenrya: I don't know. I mean, I'll be honest. I don't know if in somebody's past relationships if I always remembered that myself. And then I think, and I mean I can think in some, especially after my career started kind of taking off, sometimes it'd be like events, being with them and being able to see on their face as they're watching me sign books or talk to strangers or whatever, where they're like, "Oh, I got a bad bitch." But it wasn't necessarily that I said anything. It was just that they were in an environment that reminded them that I am not just the person that's at the house with them all the time.
Erica: Yeah, I clearly remember. And I clearly remember sitting in marriage counseling, shouting at my ex-husband, "I am a bad bitch. Do you know? I'm a bad bitch." And I think it was more me realizing, remembering it, and then being like, wait-
Kenrya: “I am.”
Erica: ... I forgot this shit and you need to remember this too. But I definitely remember, I clearly remember, I can see the therapist face as I like, I think I was standing up shouting, "I am a bad bitch. You don't know what you're fucking with." Because I think also when you're ... at least for me, especially in my marriage, I got kind of, I lost myself, I lost my shine. I was just so caught up in being a wife and being a mom and all of that, that I forgot that be out and work a room, and I lost my own shine. And so that period where I was shouting to him, "I'm a bad bitch." He was also shouting to me like, "Bitch, have you forgotten?"
Kenrya: I think that is a thing that can happen. I definitely think it happened with me, but I think it was more intentional because I was married to a man who very clearly was-
Kenrya: Yes. And so if things didn't revolve around him, then it was like, let me shit on all of this. For me it was very much this situation where he was only comfortable if my light was under a bushel basket. And so I made myself very small for a while in order to dim that so that he could feel better. It wasn't until I realized what the fuck was going on and that I was out. And then all the time what he would say was, "I don't even know you anymore." And I were like, "Because I'm back to myself nigga. Go away."
Erica: Oh, that's it, that, “Yeah, I don't even know you anymore.”
Kenrya: I used to laugh that he said that. We used to call me Kenrya 2.0 or some shit at that point.
Erica: And you know what, I think that, yeah, I'm not the same person. You might not know me, but we didn't grow together. You weren't there from the growth from Kenrya to Kenrya 2.0. And so I totally, oh yeah, I know I'm not nigga. And you don't want me to be the same.
Kenrya: And I definitely don't want to be.
Erica: I think that there's a lot of growth that happens in life. And in my mind what makes a relationship magical is that you grow together. I don't think you should still be the same person. We were talking to a group of girlfriends and they were talking about shared values with the partner because we have a number of girlfriends that are married to men that are much younger than them. And one of them was like, "He could be so different in a million ways but we shared values. Because then we know what we're working towards." And so I think when you have that shared value, then all the other stuff changes, but the DNA of what the two of you are and what the two of you want and are working for stays the same. And I think what happened in my marriage is that we didn't have shared values. We had shared surface shit. And so as the surface shit started wearing away, then he was a diamond, I'm an emerald, we stare at each other like, "Nigga, I thought we was rocks."
Kenrya: That's real, and that's also accurate.
Erica: Yeah. But I mean, here's the rocks and diamonds and emeralds, so yeah. And I don't mean that we're all not gems, it just means we ain't-
Kenrya: The same kind of gem.
Erica: We ain't the same kind, we ain't going towards it, working towards the same goal, so yeah. Whew, that bad bitch, that took me back to a very specific place where I reclaimed my power as a woman.
Kenrya: How much longer was it that you cut your hair after that conversation?
Erica: You said that really shadily, but yeah.
Kenrya: I'm just wondering.
Erica: It was probably right around that time. It was either right before or right after. You know what, I think it was right after, because I remember name redacted, therapist's name redacted looking at me like, girl. Because yeah, I mean I think you just ... Oh, you got me going down the rabbit hole.
Kenrya: Thinking about all the ways that we contort ourselves for these niggas.
Erica: Yeah. I changed so much of who I was in an effort to go along, to get along, to be in a relationship, and I didn't even need to do all that. I shouldn't have been doing all that…
Kenrya: Yeah but hindsight is 20/20
Erica: And then I woke up one morning and it was like, I am this dusty bitch because I have been literally trying to force myself into this dusty bitch bin. And I came out that bitch and was like, "I'm a bad bitch. I am a bad bitch."
Kenrya: And you are.
Erica: Yeah. I'm very proud of myself for claiming my bad bitchiness. Okay. Also, before we get into what's turning us on, we are going to pay some bills and we'll be right back.
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Erica: What's turning us on this week, harkens back to our very first episode titled, “What, What, in the Butt.”
Kenrya: You just scared somebody I'm certain of it. Somebody was listening to this and making dinner.
Erica: And their kid walked past like, "What are you talking about?" Okay. This week what's turning us on is an anal trainer set. It's a five-piece master anal trainer set, so Kenrya it's all you.
Kenrya: For those of us who have anal sex with folks who are a little bit more well-endowed, you can't always just slip it in your butt.
Erica: Yeah. If you're putting a-
Kenrya: Or anything.
Erica: Yeah, I'm like, I don't even want to say-
Kenrya: Yeah, it can be a strap that is on the larger side.
Erica: If you are dealing with a ... not necessarily a wenis, not a stunt strap, but a ...
Kenrya: Which is an important designation, right? Because the first person who I successfully and consistently had anal sex with was just kind of a smedium. And so we could just slip it on in and have a good time and it was—whatever, that's not my current situation. And so I-
Erica: I love how nice you are about explaining the fact that your partner has a big dick.
Kenrya: Yeah, I try to just ... he don't care.
Erica: I'm here for that. I'm here to say that part.
Kenrya: And so I prepare when we know that this is something that we want to do next week or whatever. I used to have a set of these that I ordered and didn't realize. Okay, so there's five pieces, as he said, and they graduate in size. The first one, the little one is about a little bit bigger than my thumb at its widest part. And so I used to have a set of these that I didn't realize until I got them because I ordered them that was hard plastic. Please don't ever use hard plastic trainers. It's incredibly uncomfortable. I’m sure it stretches things out, but it's not a comfortable way of doing it and there are much better tools out there.
Kenrya: And so we actually came upon this silicone version of it while we were on vacation and we went to a sex shop, because why not? But also my boo was very frugal and did not feel like that was how much we should pay for these. And so then we ...
Erica: “Goddam that's a lot of money!”
Kenrya: Then we found them online for cheaper and bought them after our vacation.
Erica: I can't.
Kenrya: Yes. Basically what you do is ... everybody's schedule is different, but what I found is that if I start with the smallest one, let's say on Monday, I wear it for ... I don't know, long enough to masturbate or you can wear it while you do something, while you read a chapter out of a book or while you clean the house or whatever. They have a flanged edge, so they cannot get lost up inside, of course, as we always remind y'all.
Erica: Please don't let them get lost inside.
Kenrya: Usually I find that I can move from the first one to the second one the first day. And then every day, every two days you can graduate up to a new size until you get all the way up to the big boy, which I have actually not used.
Erica: Damn that's big. Wait.
Erica: I was like-
Kenrya: This is the one before it for comparison.
Erica: We're talking and I got my head down and I'm looking at something and I look up and the big one is, that's a mighty meat eater.
Kenrya: And they're just long enough so that you can practice getting past both of your sphincters, but not so long that if you're trying to do activities while they're in to get yourself stretched out that it's not uncomfortable and hard to move around or anything like that. They're super soft and pliable like incredibly so. And you just stick it up there and leave it up there. And then they also are good for just using them during play. If you are having sex, vaginal sex, but you also like to have a little backdoor action going at the same time, you can pop one of these in there just like a butt plug and use it at the same time. So you make your own DP situation.
Erica: Jesus Christ, that large one is large and in charge.
Kenrya: Yeah, I have not made my way up there.
Erica: Because, okay, so as we can see, this is a Killa activity, and that she's the one that-
Kenrya: That this is what’s turning me on.
Erica: ... pick this one. Yeah. She has experience with that. And so I saw the link, it's a cute little set. And I was like, "Oh, I might have to get this," that last…
Kenrya: Nobody says you have to get to the last one.
Erica: That's for special people.
Kenrya: You can get quite [crosstalk 00:58:58].
Erica: But I mean like now ... But I've seen a big one, I'm like, “Challenge!”
Erica: Okay, well.
Kenrya: The best-
Erica: That was the good one.
Kenrya: ... [crosstalk 00:59:11] this week.
Erica: All righty. Well, that sums that up. That sums up this week's episode of The Turn On. It is Erica and Kenrya, two hoes making it clap. I was trying to do a song so we could clap together-
Kenrya: We did clap together.
Erica: ... but obviously.
Kenrya: We didn't?
Erica: No, we didn't.
Kenrya: Oh, I was silly, let me put my arms down.
Erica: Yeah, put your arms down. All right, that's [inaudible 00:59:44].
Kenrya: Yo. All right, y'all.
Erica: ...before, I forgot I had it, just was looking for something to put on. Look at you. All right y'all, peace out. Peace, fish, hair grease, bye.
Kenrya: Fried fish.
Erica: Oh, no. Bye.
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In this episode of The Turn On, Erica and Kenrya read from Jodie Slaughter's "White Whiskey Bargain" and talk about Black Appalachia, masturbation, vulnerability and why consent is so damn sexy.
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Kenrya: Come here. Get off.
Erica: So welcome to this week's episode of The Turn On. Today, we are going to read “White Whiskey Bargain,” which was written in 2019 by Jodie Slaughter. So sit back, relax. Get your wine, your weed, and whatever you need, and enjoy.
Kenrya: “White Whiskey Bargain,” by Jodie Slaughter. She was incredible. Too beautiful for words to describe. And even if there had been words, I doubted I'd ever be eloquent enough to put a voice to them. "How do you normally do this?" She asked. "Do you watch porn?" "Sometimes," I said. I hadn't really since I moved into the Hawkins house. I hated how those little earphones felt, and I knew the walls in the house were thin, and didn't want to risk making Hannah feel uncomfortable.
Kenrya: “Lately, my own imagination has been enough.” "Oh?" She smiled and looked at me under those hooded eyes. "What have you been thinking about?" "You," I said, simply. "I think about you." "Tell me." It was technically a demand, but it came from her lips sounding like a plea. My dick was so hard it had pressed upward against my body. I wanted to tuck the head into the waist of my pants when I saw Hannah looking. She blinked slowly, her face masked as she eyed me. So I left it alone, letting my hardness tent my pajama pants.
Kenrya: If we actually did what she suggested downstairs, it wouldn't be in there too long anyway. "I want to hear one of the fantasies you had about me." Her voice was soft and husky. Her request should have been easy. But searching through my head, I came across what must have been a million scenarios I had made up about fucking her. I decided to go with the most recent.
Kenrya: "Last night, it took everything in me to brush my teeth before I want to bed, because I could still taste your pussy, and I didn't want it to go away. I didn't know when I was going to get to have you next. So before I got ready for bed, I decided I wanted to come with you still on my lips." Hannah's fingers were trailing across her chest, the unpainted nails dragging every now and then.
Kenrya: I wanted to lick her collarbones, kiss all over her sweet-smelling neck. "I was thinking about what would have happened in that hotel room in Nashville if we had been ready for all that then." I reached down to adjust myself, squeezing the base of my dick a bit through my pants to try and calm him down. "Can I see you, Javier?" Hannah sat up a little straighter. "Can you take it out?"
Kenrya: The woman probably could have asked me to jump off the roof of her house at that moment, and I would have been inclined to do it. Letting her see my dick was something I was more than happy to oblige her with. I smiled at the soft little moan she let out when I pulled my pants down some and let my cock show. She put her hands on her hips, working her panties down and off her body. Her legs spread more, and I could see her bare to me. Her pussy was swollen, and so wet, and I could see the insides of her thighs shinning.
Kenrya: Hannah reached over into her bedside table and pulled a couple of things out. She tossed something across the bed at me. A small bottle of lube. "That's for you." She handled the other thing with a smile. "This is for me." It was a vibrator, or maybe it was just a dildo. I couldn't fully tell. But it was long, and black, and curved, and I knew immediately that there were very few things in the world I wanted more than to watch her fuck herself with it. "Keep going please." Hannah languidly rubbed the toy against her lips. "I want to hear more about what you would have done to me in that hotel room."
Kenrya: "I meant what I said about you looking fine as hell that night." As I talked, I poured some of the lube into my hand, slicking it up before I wrapped my fingers around my dick. Normally, I just use whatever lotion I had closest to me, sometimes even spit. It felt so incredible that I went silent for a few moments. When I spoke again, my voice was gruff. "You spent our time at the speakeasy all up against me. The way your legs looked in that dress. That pretty dark lipstick you had on. That gorgeous ass rubbing against my dick while we danced. Everything about you had me wired and ready to fuck."
Kenrya: Hannah opened her thighs a little more and pushed the toy inside herself. Her head tilted back as she shuddered at the feeling. I could see goosebumps on the inside of her thighs, and I wanted to run my fingers over them. Instead, I stroked myself a little faster, having no shame about working myself over the way I normally did when I was alone. "If things had been different, you would have fucked me that night?"
Kenrya: She slowly thrust the toy in and out of herself. "I would have tried to consume you, wife. I would have gotten you out of that pretty dress, stripped you down until you were completely bare for me, and then had you sit on my face." She pulled the toy out of her, and it came to life with the press of a button. She rubbed it over her clit, and back and forth down her slit as she stared over at me with dark brown pupils. "And you do have a very rideable face." She seemed to like the idea.
Kenrya: "I would have kept you up there for as long as you could take it." I ran my thumb over the head of my dick. The sensitivity made me breathe a little faster. "Then when you were shaking and soaking from the pleasure of it, I would have fed you my dick." Hannah released a low humming sound. "I've thought about you fucking my face more than a few times. Thought about making you breathless as I worked you over. Thought about you crying out as I took those balls in my mouth."
Kenrya: Her confession had me reaching down to tug at said balls, squeezing them just hard enough to make myself moan. "Where would you have come, Javier?" She was back to fucking herself, her body clutching the vibrating toy as she slid it in and out of her juicy cunt. "In my mouth? On my face?" I shook my head. "Nah, I would have pulled you off me before I came. That face of yours would look beautiful covered in my cum. But I wouldn't want to shoot off so fast. I'd have wanted to get inside you first."
Kenrya: "And how would you have fucked me, Javier?" Every time she said my name like that, all breathy and low, my thoughts scattered for a few seconds. I doubted she knew it, but Hannah was dangerously close to having me wrapped around all 10 of her fingers, toes too if I was being honest. It'd have been unexpected as hell, but not at all unwelcome, just like me finding myself in her bedroom, getting myself off to the sight and sound of her.
Kenrya: "I would have had you on your knees first. Those thighs spread wide, and your back arched. I already know you would have fucked me back just as good as I gave." I was getting close. I could feel the heat rising in my balls as I slammed my hand up and down myself faster. I could see the telltale signs of Hannah too. Her thighs were quivering a little, and the wet sounds her pussy made were just as loud as her little moans and groans.
Kenrya: "I would have watched as that ass bounced off me, digging as deep into you as I could." The warm feeling in my balls rolls into my shaft. My strokes tugging and circling as I imagine my hand was Hannah's hot, wet pussy. "You like it fast or slow, wife?" "Both." She moaned. "Depends on the situation. But I would have wanted you to fuck me fast then." "Fast with my hands on your hips, filling you up over and over while you drip down your thighs and on those white sheets."
Kenrya: Fuck. Hannah was pounding herself. Her ass writhing on the bed as she used one hand to thrust, and another to rub her clit. "You want to see something, Javier? See what I would have done all over your dick if you fucked me in that hotel room?" "Show me, baby." I couldn't take my eyes off the space between her thighs. "Show me how you would have cum all over my dick." She only got three more thrusts in and out before she was off.
Kenrya: The vibrator was forced out of her and lightly thrown on the bed next to her as her orgasm made her arch off the bed. She gushed, literally. Splashes of a clear liquid running from her swollen pussy. There was a lot of it landing all over her thighs, and on the towel below her. Hannah was silent as she came. But just when I thought she was done, she stuck a couple fingers back into herself, then pulled them out, smacking her clit as more came.
Kenrya: The moan that left me was in response to her orgasm just as much as it was to my own. My own cum spilled fast, running all over my fist and my stomach. The force even leaving a bit on my chest. I was left breathing hard, my body going slightly numb as my dick still puffed up, even after I had finished spilling over. "Fuck, that was sexy." Hannah breathed. Her legs still spread wide as she lay on the bed.
Kenrya: "I think I'm going to be obsessed with watching you cum now." "You?" I asked, my eyes wide. "Are you kidding me? I had no idea you could squirt. Now I'm going to want to see that shit all the time." "It takes some special technique to learn how to make me do it." She chuckled. "I'll learn whatever the hell I need to in order to make you do that on my face as often as possible." I was dead serious. "I'll teach you."
Kenrya: She sat up, and I could see the sexy old of her stomach through her tank top. I stood, went around to the side of the bed she was on, and leaned down and brushed my lips against hers. My dick was still half hard against my thigh as I kissed her. The feeling of her hot mouth and soft tongue against mine making my spine tingle. "Let's go clean up." I said softly against her mouth, before helping her up. We gathered her wet towel, and threw it in the hamper in the bathroom before washing ourselves up.
Erica: So welcome back. That was “White Whiskey Bargain” by Jodie Slaughter. And a little background on this book. It is set in Black Appalachia. So I think it's Kentucky, or something like that. And there are two main characters. One is Hannah Hawkins, who is the matriarch of this huge ... Distilling. Huge moonshine family that's running the moonshine in her county. And then there's another family, the Mezas, which is a competing family, or whatever. And they, for years, have went back and forth with rivalries, and who's controlling the game, and that kind of thing. But the story opens with the two families realizing that there's another bigger, bigger family trying to-
Kenrya: Muscle in.
Erica: Yeah, muscle in, in the city. So classic romance trope. They decide we're going to ... These two families are going to team up. And how are they going to team up? The way that they formally do back in olden times, marriage. So Hannah, who's the top dog in the Hawkins family decided to marry-
Erica: Javier. Who is the son of the other competing family, right.
Erica: So they meet, marry, hijinks ensue. Dot, dot, dot.
Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Erica: Was that it?
Kenrya: Yeah, that's good. And that's not really giving anything away, because all of that happens in the first chapter.
Erica: Yes. But I really like this. I mean, we always do books that we like. I mean, of course.
Kenrya: I was about to say, you didn't think you was going to like it?
Erica: Not that I didn't think I was going to like it. But I definitely didn't think that I was going to be into it as much as I was.
Kenrya: Is it because of the setting, or ...
Erica: Yeah, I think I was just like [inaudible 00:13:55]. This'll be a read. I mean ...
Kenrya: Yeah, yeah.
Erica: But one, Jodie is an amazing writer. It just felt good to read the words. It was one of those books where it didn't feel like a chore to read. But also it was really interesting. It was super vivid about explaining the different distilleries, and all of that. I definitely wonder about her process in finding ... investigating, and setting the backdrop of this. So when we have her on, we definitely have to ask her those questions.
Erica: But also, what I loved was that it was clear that Hannah ran the show. It was clear that her mother was a woman that knew her shit, and ran the show. But it wasn't one of those after school specially matriarchies. Where you're like, "Oh, I'm a matriarch. I'm going to sit on the porch and tell you what's going to happen in my life." [inaudible 00:14:59] that Cicely Tyson scene at “Madea's Family Reunion.”
Kenrya: I've never seen that.
Erica: I don't know if it's “Madea's Family Reunion.” But it's definitely the matriarchs of the family. So it was just ... You could tell it was written as if this was the way of life.
Kenrya: Yeah, it was a matrilineal, that was the way that their family ran everything. And it wasn't like, oh, this is some big deal that the daughter is taking over, that is the order of things.
Erica: Yup. Yup.
Erica: And even with Javier's family, Javier's ... It was clear in the book that he was like, "I enjoy making moonshine. I like adding cotton candy to the mix, or juniper beads." Whatever it is. But it was very clear that he was on some, "You can handle this shit. I am going to do what I like." And again, that's one of those things that I love seeing in relationships, where it's not a-
Kenrya: Power struggle.
Erica: Yeah. It was just, "We fall into our lanes, and it works." So I loved that about the book. Also, her mother, Hannah's mother, although she wasn't in the book, was a very large figure in the book. And it was dope. What were you going to say?
Kenrya: No, I was just saying mm-hmm (affirmative).
Erica: Yeah. And it was dope, because even through that, she was still a person that was flawed, and all of that. I was going to say a specific ... I was going to get into specifics, but it might ... Not that it'll be a spoiler, but it'll just be getting in too much about the book. We want you to-
Kenrya: She wasn't deified. She was treated as a real person who had flaws, who sometimes knew what she was doing, sometimes made decisions that weren't necessarily the best, but did what she had to do for her family, and the family business.
Erica: Yeah. And even with those flaws, again, it was like life. It wasn't this, "Oh my God." Stares into camera, "Mama." It was just, this was some shit she did that served her and the family at the time. Now we got to move differently. So I really loved, loved, loved this book. Also, the relationship between Hannah and Javier, they went slow. They moved slow in the realm of like sex. But at the same time-
Kenrya: But they connected emotionally.
Erica: Yeah. I was about to say, but at the same time, were intimate. Very intimate. And the scene that you read was one of the first times ... It wasn't their first foray into something sexual, but this was definitely one of their first big experiences, which I thought was hot as hell.
Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Erica: When I read that scene, I was like, "Oh."
Kenrya: Well, it was so incredibly vulnerable. Showing the way that you get yourself off to somebody who you haven't actually even had sex with at this point.
Erica: Yeah. And then also just being laid out on the bed with your ...
Kenrya: Yeah, spread eagle. Like, "All right."
Erica: Exactly. That takes a lot. But again, I think it was beautiful. And also, we've talked about this, we've had our soap boxes about how we need to look at sex as more than just-
Erica: Dick and puss. All the different ways.
Kenrya: Or any other thing that penetrates something else.
Erica: Yeah, exactly.
Kenrya: Yeah. Yeah.
Erica: And it's more than just that. And I love that they were able to mutually satisfy one another by doing that.
Kenrya: Just by talking shit, and watching each other, and ...
Erica: It was sexy.
Kenrya: It really, really was. I was definitely sitting here reading like, "Oh, okay."
Erica: I'll have to try that. But I find ... Oh, and they use lube.
Erica: Let's normalize lube.
Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Stop making it seem like people only use lube when there's something wrong with them.
Erica: Exactly. I was-
Kenrya: I use lube every time I have sex. It makes it better.
Erica: And I was like, "Hey, let's get some lube." He was like, "Nah." And I was like ... I mean, he didn't spit. But it's just like, "We're going to need some lube."
Kenrya: Yeah, it's right here. It's okay. Okay, it takes two extra seconds for me to get up and get it, or for you to get up and get it. But it makes things better, and also can reduce some of the trauma to your tissues on the back end.
Erica: Yeah, your lady parts. Or not your lady parts, your bit part.
Erica: Yeah. But the thing is, I feel like a lot of people miss out on this interesting and sexy foreplay or sex, because we're so focused on getting to ... I'm sorry. We're so focused on getting to the penetration part. And so we rush past all the other stuff. And look, I am not one of those people that's like, "Wait for baby Jesus to come down on pink organza." Not that person at all. But I also feel like sometimes we rush through some of the sensuality that can help.
Erica: We were having a conversation the other day with a group of girlfriends about sex. And one of them was like, "Yeah, I don't really cum from penetrative sex." And we were like, "Oh, no, baby." And it's not because ... I mean, some people just don't cum from penetrative sex. But-
Kenrya: Well, she said she doesn't cum from partner sex.
Kenrya: Yeah. And that's when we were like ... Because then I was like, "Well, so are you saying you only cum when you masturbate?" And she was like, "Yeah." And I was like, "Okay." Well, it's quite normal for people to not cum from penetrative sex. Well, everything is normal. But you know what I mean. I was like, "But you can be getting yours too while you're having partnered sex." In fact, you should be.
Erica: But I feel like a lot of ... Listening to what was being said there, I think a lot of it was about rushing ... Yeah, rushing to make sure her partner was fine, and not slowing down, and feeling while you're in it.
Erica: And so that's why I loved this scene, because it was like, "Let's slow down and feel, and make our way through this really delightful ... What can be delightful." And like I said, I feel like we miss out on that, because I mean, I've been with people. And it took a while to get to that, because it was like, "Okay, we're going to fuck from the back, fuck from the side. Hung off the stairs, did this, did that, did this." And then we were like, "Oh, okay, now let's find some other ways to do things." So I just really liked that that was how they started things out.
Kenrya: Yeah. I mean, I can remember a relationship where ... This was a long, long time ago. My partner was trying to get me to masturbate for him. And I just didn't feel comfortable. I tried. But I know my face was all fucked up, because I was feeling nervous about it. In hindsight, I was not comfortable in that relationship, and that's why it was a problem. But I wasn't able to put myself in a place where I was able to let myself be vulnerable enough in both physically and emotionally to be able to do that. And so it was really cool to see that they were able to get there.
Kenrya: I do want to circle back a little bit to where we were just talking about our friend, and make a really fine point on the fact that there's nothing wrong with making sure that your partner gets pleasure. In fact, you should. However, if you are letting your partner ... Yes, that's always the way that she put it. The way that I'm going to put it is that if you are making sure that someone else is getting pleasure to the detriment of getting pleasure yourself, then that is codependency. You need to be making sure that you are also enjoying yourself, or what is the point?
Kenrya: And yes, I understand getting pleasure from giving someone else pleasure. Listen, making somebody cum ... Making my partner cum from sucking his dick basically puts me into fucking orbit. But then there's something else that happens. I need to come too, whether it's in that session or the next one. I'm not sacrificing my own pleasure just to give someone else pleasure. Everybody can have fun.
Erica: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Kenrya: Those things don't have to be mutually exclusive.
Erica: Yeah. Yeah. That was a good way to put it, because I'm a little more, "Fuck it, you should cum." Yeah. Okay, Javier was such a gentleman. I don't know if it ... No, in this scene, you didn't see all of that. But throughout the book, they made con ... They. Jodie made consent so sexy.
Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Erica: In the book, there were so many times where he asked, "Can I? Can I? Can I?" And it was just, oh so gorgeous. And again, consent is sexy. And it's possible to be ... It's possible to happen in a very sexy and sensual way. And I think that Javier did it so well. And also, it has a lot ... To me, it has a lot to ... It looks a lot like chivalry. We always say we want a man that's chivalrous, and will hold the doors open and all of that. Well, some people do. I just think we want somebody that's nice.
Kenrya: Right. You want someone who's not an asshole is what you want.
Erica: Yeah, exactly. But I think consent is a part of that. Seeing a guy asking, "Hey, you look absolutely beautiful, can I kiss on you? Can I put my dick in your booty?" Whatever. I think it's just so beautiful to see it written out. And you can tell that there's this tenderness and this care that Javier has toward Hannah. And I was just like, "Oh, Javier, you can have it all. You can do it."
Kenrya: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I'm re-watching “New Girl.” Man, I love that show. It don't matter, you don't have to love it, because I got another friend who watched it with me the first time. And come to find out, we both started a re-watch within a day of each other. So now we're watching it together again. It just makes me so very happy.
Erica: Shout out to her, we love her.
Kenrya: Yes. It makes me so very happy. And an episode I was watching last night, there was a character who, he was getting these really mixed signals from his boss. And one of the chicks on the show was like, "Stop asking, just grab her and kiss her." And of course, my alarm bells are going off like, "No, nigga. You're getting mixed signals. Do not do that." But so they're in this situation, they're in a parking garage, and he's replaying what old girl told him, and he's like, "Fuck it." And he throws his stuff down all dramatically and runs up to his boss, and grabs her. And then we cut to security watching this shit on camera and coming out, and grabbing his ass. And I was like, "Yes. That is right. Do not just be grabbing bitches." He's like, "It's consensual. It's consensual. She wanted me to do it." And she ain't say shit. And they took him away. And I was like, "Yes, the power of consent. Do not be jumping on motherfuckers."
Erica: Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, and we think that it looks so beautiful and sexy when we're like, "Just kiss her."
Kenrya: No, bruh.
Erica: Because also, I want to hear that you want me, that you want it. And I think that was also what was so beautiful about ... Sexy about this scene that you read. Hannah was like, "What did you want to do? Tell me exactly how you was about to me a nasty MFer around me."
Kenrya: Yeah, yeah, how she kept saying his name like this, "So what were you going to do to me, Javier? Where were you going to cum on me, Javier?" I was like, "Oh, yes, bitch."
Erica: Yeah. Yeah, it was definitely a sexy scene. And I just ... We need more of this without the ... It models what consent and lube, and mutual masturbation, all the other stuff can look like. We had a quickie about our good homie dry humping. And we mentioned that to another person we were interviewing, another guest, and she was like, "Yeah, yeah." Especially in queer relationships.
Kenrya: Yeah. She's like, "Lesbians hump all the time."
Erica: Mm-hmm (affirmative). And I thought about it, I was like, "Ooh, I do like a good hump." Okay. Squirt, squirt.
Kenrya: Oh, yeah, that was a nice surprise.
Erica: Yeah, that was a great surprise.
Kenrya: Yeah, yeah.
Erica: So I spent a lot of time in quarantine with my good friend, Ambien, also Jerome. And I squirted. I was so proud of myself.
Erica: Because at first, I'd been reading about ... Legit like, "I ain't got nothing else to do, let's figure this out." Bitch, it scared the fuck out of me. First, I had to change my sheets. I mean, not that it scared me, but it was one of those like you know how you're popping a Jack in the box, and you're like... And then it pops out, and you're like, "Nigga, I knew the song, I knew when it was going to come out. I heard the click." But I was still like, "Oh, shit." That's how it was. It was great. But I was like, "Oh, shit." And I was like, "This is a lot." It was a lot. Because again, I'm like, "Okay, now I got to clean up my sheets." I had to change everything. It was some pent up energy that happened.
Kenrya: It had to come out.
Erica: So I was very much like, "Ooh. And guys like this?" And not from a, "This is grodie." Standpoint, just a ... The whole bed is wet? Who going to sleep in a wet ... We both got to sleep in the wet spot. It was one of those.
Kenrya: You see, what I liked about this scene in the book was there was none of that.
Kenrya: He was turned on, she was ... There was no embarrassment. Because I think a lot of times, folks don't necessarily want to share that they can do that, or that part of themselves, because they don't want to be judged in some type of way, or want somebody to say some shit about having to clean up. He just said, "All right, let's go get cleaned up." He picked up her towel, he put that shit away. They went and handled their business. And it wasn't a whole thing, except for the fact that he was excited and wanted to help her do it.
Kenrya: Yeah, I love that that was the way that Jodie wrote it. I know I too, earlier this year, I think it was before the pandemic though, was researching how to make it happen. Because I'm always on the precipice. There's a particular position that we use that puts me so close. And he's always like, "Let it go." And I'm like, "No, nigga. I don't want to clean up." And he's like, "I'll help you clean. Let it go." But it's my ... Honestly, the fact that I don't feel like having to deal with the aftermath of it, which sucks, because I feel like it would be an amazing release.
Kenrya: But I always stop myself before I can get all the way there.
Erica: Oh, yeah. Now that I've done it, it's like a party trick. Not that I do it as a party trick. But it's definitely like, "Oh, ooh, hey." Because now that it's happened, I'm like ... I was almost there so many times, and I just was afraid to let go.
Kenrya: So how did you, in that time, let go? For real, just be like, "Okay."
Erica: One, I ain't had no dick in a month or something. I'm blanking hard. A month and some days. So it was like, "Ooh, we going just ... Let's see if we can make this happen." And it took ... It's like when you do anal for the first time, you got to just ... You got get your mind right. It was one of those mind over matter, just make it happen things. And then once it happened, then I was able to do it more. Does that make sense?
Kenrya: Yeah, it does.
Erica: So yeah. And it's great. It's great. And I'll certainly be doing it at a boo’s house.
Erica: I'm like, "Yeah, well that bed’s a mess. I got to go home to my dry bed."
Kenrya: Time to go.
Erica: Sorry. Have fun. Got to get up for work early in the morning.
Kenrya: That's fucking terrible.
Erica: I know. Terrible. But a bitch going do it anyway. So yeah. I love the fact that she did it, and he found it hot. And yeah, I used to believe that squirt wasn't a thing. I used to be like, "These bitches peeing." Yeah. But-
Kenrya: Yeah, no, it's real.
Erica: Yeah. And maybe it's just because I deal with nasty, freaky ass men, but they're all like, "Squirt on me, squirt on me." I don't think I've ever ... I mean, not that I've squirted on all the guys that I've dealt with. But they nasty. So I think they do, they go for it all.
Kenrya: What's nasty really?
Erica: Right. Let's say that. I'm nasty. (singing).
Erica: I love you too. Okay, so do you have anything else you want to share about the book, about the scene?
Erica: Again, Jodie did a fucking phenomenal job on painting the backdrop of this being based, built ... I was about to say built. Based in Black Appalachia. So we're interviewing her next week, right?
Kenrya: We are. Yeah.
Erica: Yeah. So I really want to delve deep into why she chose this, how she did that. And as a woman, as a co-woman of someone, you, who are both from the Midwest-
Kenrya: I'm like, "What is a co-woman?" Okay. I was so confused. I was like, "Where is this sentence going?"
Erica: I didn't know until it came out, shit. That's what it's like dating a Gemini. Words tumble out, and we'll see where this goes.
Kenrya: Oh, Lord have mercy.
Erica: Your daughter was driving you crazy about this anyway probably. Anyway, it was great to see a lesser-known area showcased.
Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Erica: I mean, even now, I feel like we get ... We deal with some Midwestern cities.
Kenrya: Yeah, but I feel like it's usually-
Kenrya: Chicago. Which is fine, I love Chicago, except for when that hawk comes. But there's a lot of other cities. I've had people ask me, "So is it just cows and cornfields?" And I'm like, "Nigga, I never saw a cornfield until I drove to the East Coast."
Erica: Drove out. Yeah.
Kenrya: What are you talking about? That's not a thing.
Erica: Man, do you remember seeing the East 99 videos from Bone Thugs-N-Harmony?
Kenrya: Yeah, it's a whole ass city in a surrounding metropolitan area.
Erica: Exactly. Exactly. But yeah, so this was a beautiful book. And again, I love the whole, just the matriarchal structure, and how she was a boss bitch without it being like, "I stepped out my platinum Jag with my white suit, and my foxtail collared jacket, and my nameplate that said boss." Even though I completely wrote a scene in my head that I plan on.
Kenrya: I was like, "That was so specific."
Erica: But I'm going to do it. I'm going to be in a foxtail suit.
Kenrya: What's a foxtail suit?
Erica: A foxtail, and you put the ... In the cover ... The thing goes around your neck.
Kenrya: So it's just a suit with a fox around your neck?
Erica: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Erica: A foxtail.
Kenrya: I'm allergic to fur.
Erica: Y'all, Killa is allergic to the nice shit. That's the best way to put it.
Erica: Okay, y'all, so what's turning me on this week is this remote control love egg vibrator. And again, y'all know I like a toy that I can play with by myself, or with a partner. And this one is that. So it's a little egg. It's a little rumbly egg, you go, and you put it up your orifice. And don't put it up your bum-bum, because it doesn't [crosstalk 00:37:50].
Kenrya: Yeah, it doesn't have a flange.
Erica: Yeah, it doesn't have a flare So let me not imply that. Put it in your vagina. And it has a remote control. And so I like it because I can be stimulating my clit, and then also have some inside rumbly action. Or if you want to take the fun on the go with your closest friends, hand them the vibrator, and let them go to town on you. This one, I like because also, I mean, you can't do the Bluetooth like we did for the other apps, the other vibrators that we showed you.
Erica: But it's definitely fun if you're out with your partner at dinner or something, and you put it in before dinner, and he can turn it on or off while you're doing it. And I've definitely been at dinner trying to order some food, and been getting buzzed. So I love it. It's cute. It's a fun little toy for a group.
Erica: It reminds me of those ... You're on TikTok now, so welcome. Those TikToks where people, or women, send their partners a nasty text in public. And so they'll be at a cookout, and then their husband looks up, and looks around, and starts gathering the kids to go, "We got to go." It reminds me of that, because you can be minding your business, making sure you get extra guac, or extra sour cream on the side, and then rumble, rumble, rumble, rumble, rumble. So I like it. It's not super expensive. We will drop the link in the show notes. So please order it.
Kenrya: Yeah. That sounds pretty dope.
Kenrya: I guess I just want to highlight that it's for someone who is close by. It can be used for up to five meters away. So it's not one that someone can...
Erica: Don't be clear across the room.
Kenrya: Yeah, yeah, yeah, trying to hit you up. It's got to be somebody who you are in close proximity to. But I like that it's tiny, and discreet, and for real, you could just have it up in there and just be hanging out.
Erica: Mm-hmm (affirmative). It'll be hanging out, all right. It will be hanging out. Oh, and speaking of hanging out, it has a little loop on the bottom of it so you can pull it out, so you're not fishing for it.
Kenrya: Yeah, digging around in there. Dope.
Erica: So that's what's up. All right, that's what's turning us on. And with that said, this is Erica.
Kenrya: And Killa.
Erica: Two hoes making it clap.
Kenrya: Use this. Clap, clap.
Kenrya: It's fine. You love me anyway.
Erica: I have no choice.
Kenrya: It's true.
Erica: Bye, y'all.
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