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In this episode of The Turn On, Erica and Kenrya read "Brazilian Wax" from Jacqueline R. Hawkins' "The Erotic Tales: Love, Sex and Submission" and talk about having sex with unexpected people, what it really means to be old, waxing preferences and expectations, and getting naked with friends.
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Kenrya: Come here. Get off.
Erica: Hey y'all, funky monkeys. Welcome to this week's episode of The Turn On. So this is your lovely host, your lovely hoe hosts, Erica and Killa. This week, we are reading a listener submitted story titled Brazilian Wack. Wack. “Brazilian Wax.”
Kenrya: Yes, that.
Erica: It was submitted by our lovely listener, Jacqueline Hawkins. It is in her anthology, "The Erotic Tales: Love, Sex and Submission." So sit back, relax, get your wine, get your weed, get whatever you need, and enjoy.
Kenrya: “Brazilian Wax” by Jacqueline R. Hawkins.
Kenrya: I woke up early Saturday morning to go to my wax appointment. The idea of not having to shave my pussy every few days was well worth the money. I've been going to the Beautiful Babe Salon for a few months now and I loved how my pussy looked and felt after it was over. The smoothness of my skin turned me on and when I play with myself, I'd imagined that it was my new aesthetician, Monica, who was rubbing my newly waxed pussy making me come all over her fingers. I get so wet thinking about her, but I was too shy to tell her that I wanted her to taste my sweetness.
Kenrya: Monica was a new employee of the salon having only started a few months before I started getting waxed there. The first time I met her, I was confused.
Kenrya: "Oh hey, this is Monica. She'll be taking over from Stacey from now on."
Kenrya: I later learned Stacy quit after she found a new job making twice the money she'd been making at Beautiful Babes. The first thing that I noticed about Monica was that she was a woman of color.
Kenrya: "Wow." I thought to myself, "Who would expect another sister out here in this ritzy ass salon?"
Kenrya: I was happy as well because even though Stacy was professional and made small talk with me, her reactions just seemed fake. I doubted that she was interested in me or my family. So when Monica came out, I was ecstatic to see a smiling brown face. Oh, and did I mention she was sexy too? She was curvy in all the right places under her purple scrubs.
Kenrya: "Hey, I'm Monica," she said extending her hand out the first time we met.
Kenrya: "Hey, I'm Jai," I said smiling at her.
Kenrya: Monica and I hit it off and I soon started to request her for all of my appointments. She made me feel at ease and was so familiar with the African American skin in general. I lay on a table naked from the waist down opened my legs, folding them out were like my feet were praying.
Kenrya: After my first wax, I laughed and said jokingly, "So now you're my bestie, ’cause you've seen all my goodies."
Kenrya: She laughed too and said, "I know right?"
Kenrya: After that first day, I had a crush on her. A few nights later, while lying naked in my bed, I started thinking about her. My pussy started to leak and my clit got engorged. I lay in my bed, rubbing my hardened clitoris, feeling the wetness all over my hands, but wishing that Monica was lying next to me and playing with my pussy. I came so hard and so fast. The idea of her mouth and fingers all over my smooth wet pussy was too much for me to handle. I'd fantasized about riding her pretty face and coming all over her lips.
Kenrya: A few weeks passed and once again, I was scheduled to get my Brazilian wax. I arrived at the salon later than normal having had to schedule my appointment after work. I walked in and signed in with the receptionist.
Kenrya: "Monica will be with you shortly," the young blonde woman said to me.
Kenrya: "Okay, thanks," I said looking up from my cell phone.
Kenrya: As I started to scroll through my Instagram feed, she walked out.
Kenrya: "Hey, girl, come on back," she said to me.
Kenrya: Before we walk through the doors into the back of the salon, the receptionist told Monica that she was going to leave for the day.
Kenrya: "She's your last customer. Can you just lock up when you finish?"
Kenrya: "Okay, no problem," she said finally rolling her eyes at the receptionist. "I swear she's always doing that stupid shit," she said as we walk into the room.
Kenrya: "What'd you say?" I asked her, dropping my purse on the table.
Kenrya: "That heffa always leaves early and asks me to lock this place up for her."
Kenrya: I laughed out loud because she was irritated.
Kenrya: "Yeah, I know. I still got you here right, Chica?" She said grinning and giving me a little wink.
Kenrya: I already knew the drill if I took off my skirt, my flats and my panties. I sat them on the chair and got up on the table.
Kenrya: "Hm. Cute panties," she said, looking over at me and noticing my Victoria's Secret.
Kenrya: "Thanks," I said and placed my hands on my lower belly.
Kenrya: Wow. She's noticing my panties now? I thought to myself.
Kenrya: We made small talk as she waxed me from front to back. I was already horny and the hot wax all over my pussy excited me even more. The closer she smoothed the hot wax near my clit, the more I could feel it swell and get harder and harder.
Kenrya: Shit, I thought. She's going to see it. Don't get excited now, please.
Kenrya: But with the heat of the wax, along with the slight pain made me hot and bothered. Monica immediately noticed how swollen my clit was.
Kenrya: "Hm. I see someone's excited," she said laughing a little.
Kenrya: I couldn't say anything because I was so embarrassed, so I just let out a nervous laugh, "Hm." I stammered.
Kenrya: "Hm. What?" She said, taking off one of her gloves.
Kenrya: She took the tip of one of her fingers on her right hand and ran it down the side of my clit, that actually made it stand out even more since the hair was gone from that area. She did it so quickly that I couldn't even process what was happening between us.
Kenrya: But I let out a quick moan, "Hm."
Kenrya: "So you like how I do that?" She says smirking.
Kenrya: "Hell yeah," I quickly said, not caring about being proper and pretending. "Yes. I like the way you do that. Can you do it again please?"
Kenrya: I finally had the nerve to look up in her eyes. She had a hungry look as she gazed down at me. She didn't say another word to me and she took the glove off and turned the lights down in the room.
Kenrya: "Open your legs for me. I want to see just how hard that little clit can get," she said in a husky voice.
Kenrya: She started rubbing my clit slowly, letting the wetness ease over her fingers. Slow then fast, she stroked my clit until I felt like I would explode.
Kenrya: I moaned softly as she worked me out. Right before I thought I would finally cum, she stopped and smoothly pulled my shirt over my head. She unhooked my bra, freeing my pierced nipples in the process.
Kenrya: "So your nipples pierced too, huh?"
Kenrya: "Yes," I say breathlessly looking into her eyes. "Why did you stop?" I said almost pleading with her.
Kenrya: My pussy felt as if it would explode from the inside out. I started to feel that telltale sign and I knew I was close to orgasming.
Kenrya: "Shh," she said as she pulled me up into a sitting position on the table.
Kenrya: Monica grabbed her stool and sat between my legs.
Kenrya: "Damn, all this pretty pussy in my face," she said as she opened my legs as wide as they would go.
Kenrya: She planted tiny kisses all over my mound, making sure not to touch my clit. I moaned even louder as she began to just lick and suck my pussy like she was eating a melting ice cream cone.
Kenrya: "Fuck," I said over and over as she expertly ate my pussy, sending shivers through my whole body. Monica seemed to know just when I was about to cum, and she stopped just when I was about to cum. Every time, I beg her not to stop.
Kenrya: "Oh. Please, baby, don't. I'm about to cum." I moan to her.
Kenrya: "Open your legs and touch your ankles," she told me. "Yeah, just like that. I want all that good pussy in my face."
Kenrya: Monica's lips were wet and glistening with my juices. She licked her lips slowly as she put her face back down between my legs. She alternated between licks and sucks until I felt that familiar sensation caused through my body. I began to lose control as the first of three orgasms rip through me back to back. But Monica never stopped licking and sucking. My body was in complete spasm. I couldn't hold back anymore as the last one came through, and I grabbed the back of her head and held her there not wanting to let this delicious feeling ever stop. My whole body was tingling as I collapsed back on the table.
Kenrya: Monica looked up at me licking her lips and smiling, "So this means you're coming back in four weeks, right?"
Erica: So we are back. Thank you, Killa, for a lovely reading. This one was a short story so we don't have to really give much background.
Kenrya: Yeah. I was going to say, y'all heard the whole thing.
Erica: Y'all heard the whole thing, the whole juicy, squirty, nasty thing.
Kenrya: From beginning to end.
Erica: So first, let's shout out Jacqueline. She is one of our listeners and she's been rocking with us for a while now.
Kenrya: Yeah, like super engaged on the social media. I think she asked on IG, like do we take user submissions? I was like, "Absolutely."
Erica: Fuck yeah. It makes our job easier.
Erica: So yeah, so thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Jacqueline, for shouting us out and sending us this information. So me saying shouting us out made me realize, "Bitch, we old." Like-
Kenrya: Yeah, but why did that make you realize that?
Erica: Kenrya had her birthday recently. We did one of those tribute things where everybody sends in videos. I realize that we use-
Kenrya: It’s the sweetest thing.
Erica: Old people ass words.
Kenrya: Yeah. I was cringing myself.
Erica: We were like, "Yeah. You bout it bout it."
Kenrya: Yes. Somebody said we was bosso. She said I was bosso, which is like an old school Delta term.
Erica: Even we not that old school.
Kenrya: Yeah, yeah.
Erica: Just stuff that we used. I'm like, "Yo, we old as fuck."
Kenrya: So today. I'm saying y'all old as fuck because I'm not in the video.
Erica: Birds of a feather, quack, quack, motherfucker.
Kenrya: Whatever, whatever, whatever.
Erica: So I'm driving my kid home from school today. He's telling me how his teacher plays Among Us with students in the class. I was like, "Is that game where people are sus?" You would have thought I had like, did a whole fucking stand up routine the way this kid laughed. Nigga, sus is a word. I use sus.
Kenrya: That's what I was about to say. They think that sus is ... I'm like, nigga, it's short for suspect. It's not a new word.
Erica: Yeah, like she looked me as sus. We used it before there was a fucking Among Us. It just made me mad. I'm like, "Bro. I ain't fucking old. I mean, I'm old. But I ain't that old." But it's just yeah, it's wild.
Kenrya: They just think that we're ancient. I don't remember ever really thinking that older people were old. I felt like I always had a pretty decent amount of perspective around what old really was.
Erica: Nigga, I didn't. I did not. I did not. Did fucking not. My mama was like old as crust.
Kenrya: You didn't.
Erica: By the time my mama was my age, my dad died at 40.
Kenrya: Yeah, yeah.
Erica: Nigga, do you know how much life I got ahead of me?
Kenrya: So yeah. Sorry about that.
Erica: You know how much life I got ahead of me?
Kenrya: I think maybe part of why old wasn't like ... Things didn't seem old to me. So my dad's the youngest of 15 kids. To me-
Erica: He was young.
Kenrya: He was young. Yeah, he's the baby. My dad's, he's gaining on his late 60s right now. I still don't really think of him as old. I had an auntie who died when I was in high school. We have the exact same birthday 50 years apart. I mean, I think of her as I guess, yeah, if she were still here, she would have turned 90 last week. So I guess I think of her.
Erica: Jesus Christ. Damn. That's a lot of kids.
Kenrya: Yeah, my family is fucking huge. My dad's best friend is his nephew. They are a year apart.
Kenrya: They grew up together.
Erica: Some things never change.
Kenrya: Yeah. All right, bitch. Move along.
Erica: Yeah, that's wild. No, no, in my mind, my mama was old as fuck.
Erica: Also, in my mind, that was like in black and white days. Color didn't exist until we were of age, which hurts me because last night my aunt was going through pictures and stuff. She sent me a picture of my first Howard boyfriend.
Kenrya: Oh wow.
Erica: We came to we both came to St. Louis to visit family. That was like ... So I saw the picture and I sent it to him. I'm like, "This shit looks like a fucking daguerreotype." Isn't that what they're like? Don't move.
Kenrya: Stand there real still. Yeah, yeah. With the long ass exposure.
Erica: This shit was blurred than a motherfucker. I'm like, yeah. Damn.
Kenrya: So technology has advanced a lot. I think about that sometimes. Okay. My kid thinks that black and white is just like, "What the fuck?" We were watching something. Mind you, when she was little, she used to watch black and white musicals because you gave her a whole bunch of them for her fourth birthday.
Erica: Yes. Problematic ass “Seven Brides for Seven Brothers.”
Kenrya: Yeah. Yeah, we only finished that one once. But we watched the some of the others several times. “Meet Me in St. Louis” has been watched several times. It's got its own issues, but it's really good.
Erica: It's a little problematic. But look, she will always see it and remember Auntie Munch.
Kenrya: Exactly. But so she thinks that black and white is just like, "Oh my God. The bitches is from the Stone Age." She also seems to think that we were born in the 1800s because she don't really get how numbers work. Yo, when she was like ...
Erica: Wait, wait.
Kenrya: She just knows it was before the 2000s. She don't fucking know. I remember when I when I was in my early 30s.
Kenrya: Yeah, she don't know. She don't have no real concept of time. She ain't got a concept of a fucking half an hour, let alone decades and centuries. She used to think it was the funniest thing though, she shady as hell. I remember I was 33. I would ask her or other people will ask her how old I was. She would say 43. I'll be like, "Nah, little nigga. I'm 33." She'd be like, "Yeah. 43." She just thought it was funny as hell. She knew. Exactly. Literally the Norbert Beebo situation all over again. But she was dead ass. This is how old you are and this is what I'm going to say. It doesn't matter that I'm a decade off because she don't care. It's all the same.
Erica: So when I was little, now that you're saying that, when I was younger, people are like, "How old is your mom?" 40. She was always 40. The day she died, she was 40 in my mind because I never bothered to keep up with it. I never bothered to keep up with it. How old's your mama? She's 40. She was 40 for like fucking 30 years. She had like a span before and after.
Kenrya: In which you were identifying her as 40. She probably wanted to beat yo ass.
Erica: Yeah, until she turned 41. She was like, "Wow. This alright."
Erica: Okay. Enough of our old ass. This story. There's been lots of talk about like, "Do your partner like a bald vagina, a smooth vagina?" Actually my cancer group, we have had a lot of discussion about body hair because some of us are in the middle of chemo. Others have done chemo. The best thing about chemo was that I didn't have a lick of body hair. Like from here down, I was a fucking bear. No, no, I won't use it. It was smooth as a motherfucker. Is a motherfucker smooth?
Kenrya: I mean, if you say he is.
Erica: From my neck down.
Kenrya: From her chin. Yes.
Erica: It was smooth. Even my face was good because I'm a little fucking Ewok. Girl, when I started growing like that-
Kenrya: So even the random facial hairs were gone too, everything?
Erica: Not even random facial hair, that doesn't make you an Ewok. I have like a fucking layer of just ... I'm a little ball of fur. When I was trying to grow my hair back, all the cancer groups were just like, "Take biotin. Take biotin." Bitch, I had a fucking handlebar mustache. I'm going to tell you about that. I said, "Oh now, it just got too much." It was horrible. So I am thinking about laser hair removal, particularly for my puss because and it's not even for somebody else. It's just I want a shorn pussy. Right? But then I keep thinking about that scene in ... It's a movie. I don't remember what it is. They're at a winery and this woman was like, "I got laser hair removal on my puss. But now I'm going to be an 80-year-old woman with a billy goat tuft." I was like, "Do I want a billy goat tuft?" My home girl was like, "I got it all waxed, all lasered off."
Kenrya: Yeah, I don't like a bald situation. I don't like it. I like a-
Kenrya: So when I used to do ... No, not.
Erica: You like a high and tight.
Kenrya: I get ingrowns so I can't even like go low because low curls back in because that hair.
Erica: That's why I want ... Well, a Caesar is all one. It's not a buzz.
Kenrya: I mean, that's essentially what I do now because I finally bought like a little electric because bitch, I was using scissors. I almost cut my clit off. So I bought one of those, like a little Phillips razor rechargeable thing and it's awesome. I put the number three guard on and it does exactly what I want it to do. I'll send it to you, show you what it is.
Erica: No, no. Because I definitely ...
Kenrya: You think you have that one?
Erica: No, because when I was getting my hair cut regularly, it was two on the sides, three in the middle. That's what I was getting.
Kenrya: Because I only want it to a level because if it goes too low, I get ingrowns. But I started with sugaring back when I lived in New York and that hurt.
Erica: Nigga, no.
Kenrya: I know that now. But I didn't know at the time. One of our friends and I went to do it. I screamed so loud that they were like, "Listen either you going to stop or you we going to have are we going to have to stop altogether because you're scaring one of our linesisters."
Erica: Bitch, we got a ton.
Kenrya: This one. Wait. We on video now. Nobody going to know what that means. Anyway, we went to do that. So then I after a while, because I realized, "Okay, that shit hurts." Even though I learned how to prep eventually so that it didn't hurt so much. But then I started waxing when I moved out here and I found a great Black anesthetist? Is that the word?
Erica: You about to call this woman a damn-
Kenrya: A nurse anesthetist. I mix them up. Yes.
Erica: Same difference, same to you.
Kenrya: So yeah. So she's awesome but then COVID happened. I probably stopped before that. Who knows? But I don't care and I don't like it all the way down. Even when I was doing it, I like a little landing strip. I was like, "Be there." Once somebody accidentally bared, I was like, “Uh….”
Erica: I remember the first time I got a wax. I literally got on the Metro and was like this, I'm like y'all. Describe for the listeners.
Kenrya: You know you on video. Okay. It appears that she is peering into her leggings because I know you ain't got on real pants.
Erica: Bitch, I got on sweatpants. But yeah. I was wiggling like ... I rode like six stops like with my pants open like, looking like, "Damn, that's a pretty pussy." Yeah. So I like the look, I like the feel. That's why I want to do laser because with laser, if you don't have it, the hair grows back. But I am getting waxed soon before my Eat Pray Love Situation.
Kenrya: Birthday, yes.
Erica: I'm going to get a vagacial.
Kenrya: Vagacial? Is that a what's it like?
Erica: It's like a ...
Kenrya: I don't know.
Erica: Facial for your vag.
Kenrya: A rejuvenation situation? What do they do?
Erica: No, no. That's the Mona Lisa, which they talk about heavily in the breast cancer groups.
Kenrya: What is that?
Erica: I don't know the detail because I haven't been enough to look for it. But from what I understand, it helps with you puss. A lot of times women that have experienced breast cancer, because you're on all these like medicines and hormones, it's like an earring. You don't use it, that bitch close up with atrophy. So the Mona Lisa I know some women use because it make your pussy tight. Other women's just be like, "Look, make this motherfucker work." So from what I understand, it helps with having sex. I'm not doing that. I just want to get like a little facial down there. They say it helps keep everything soft and supple and keeps the ingrowns from coming back. Going into my Eat Pray Love Situation, I am all about luxury. I am all about Black girl luxury because I'm quitting my job soon. So this might be the last time I get to enjoy true luxury for a minute. So yeah. I will have the finest of things. But back to sugaring, bitch.
Kenrya: Yeah, I didn't know.
Erica: Sugaring is so brutal. Sugaring reminds me of when you find ... You know how I have a dog. I used to have dog when I was a kid and instead of a lint roller, we just take some packing tape and just pat your leg.
Kenrya: Like what you do when you ain't got a lint roller and you get the lint off your black pants very quick.
Erica: Exactly. That is what sugaring is, because it's not even like they like ...
Kenrya: It's taking silly putty and just putting it on and ripping it off over and over again. Yeah. I didn't know when I had never had any type of hair removal before that. I think I got like a coupon or maybe my homegirl, like she just wanted to do because she was in town. I was like, "Fuck it." I remember entering ...
Erica: Sorry. Wait. I knew that I needed to mute myself so y'all could-
Kenrya: Yeah. But you forgot.
Erica: I forgot y'all can see me burp. My bad, y'all. Okay.
Kenrya: That's okay. Everybody burps. So we went to do it. I mean, I learned later and the same thing goes for waxing, right? You want about a quarter of an inch. Anything longer, anything shorter you're setting yourself up. But I didn't know at the time and it was way too long. I thought I was going to die. I agree.
Erica: Yeah. My shit's a forest right now. You see the hair on my head? That's how long my shit is right now, which also shows it.
Kenrya: At least it grew back.
Erica: I mean, yeah. But I definitely would've been fine without.
Kenrya: You would've been fine. Yeah.
Erica: Bitch, the hair on my legs right now, so long.
Kenrya: See, you know me, I'm not super hairy. So I go, I think the last time I touched my legs was New Year's Eve.
Erica: Bitch, you could fucking do macrame with my shit right now. You could fucking do a hook and chain Afghanistan. All the shit's on my legs.
Kenrya: My God.
Erica: They're pretty fucking crazy. Okay. So there has been lots of discussion about whether or not partners enjoy a waxed puss or a shortened puss or whatever. I have heard from some men, no man that I've been with. I don't know what. But they're like, some men are just like ... Let me say I've heard from men, like saying it. Anyway. Some men that I've heard from is like, "I need a little hair down there to remind me that I'm not ..."
Kenrya: Yes. I too have to have heard that. Which yep ...
Erica: I'm like ... When you admit, you ain't going to ... Yeah. I know too much for what to do. You to be reminded about anything young. He was like, this grizzled pussy got some miles on it. She know what she doing.
Kenrya: I have never had a man say that they wanted one thing or another.
Erica: Nigga, you don't get to comment.
Kenrya: You know what, that's not true.
Erica: You don't get to comment.
Kenrya: There was one person who ... Damn, we really can't do codes no more because people can see us. Yeah, we do codes all the time when nobody can see us to tell each other who we talking about. I had one person who wants basically said that he didn't go down on me as often because he wanted there to be less hair there. I was like, "Okay. It ain't that good anyway. We all right."
Erica: Yeah. Yeah.
Kenrya: I kept right on with what the fuck I was doing which was when I felt like it.
Erica: You going to get the pussy that's served.
Erica: You're going to get the pussy that's served before you. You don't get the right to request.
Kenrya: I know. I don't say nothing about you. As long as you clean.
Erica: Now, here comes problematic ass Erica. Yeah. You can't have all that long furry.
Kenrya: You see what it is though?
Erica: That's me scraping a fucking hair off the back of my tongue.
Erica: Keep that shit.
Kenrya: I tend to be with men who ... Well, now, I keep my trimmed down. I am courteous to the fact that you're going to have ...
Erica: That's just courtesy.
Kenrya: I expect the same.
Erica: My shit is not courteous right now.
Kenrya: I expect the same courtesy that I am extending. But also, I have been with lots of men who lift and all of that kind of stuff. They tend to be better about shaving everywhere. That's like a thing that goes with that hand in hand. It's with the key.
Erica: I never understood shaving the chest though.
Kenrya: In my past experience. Yeah, I don't care.
Erica: Have you ever gotten a shaven chest?
Kenrya: I have, yeah.
Erica: Shave their chest. I mean, I probably should shave my chest. I'm not that furry.
Kenrya: The only time it's even a little bit of a thing is when it's first starting to grow back, it can be a little stubbly. But you deal with it because by the time I'm up against the stubble, wow, there's a lot of other stuff going on. I don't care.
Erica: Yeah, yeah. I mean, well, let's be honest. If we're going to do a general overview of Erica's lovers, we have more on the ... I mean, less on the "I lift" side of the line than on the "I lift" side of the line.
Kenrya: That is true. Yes.
Erica: Actually as I think about it, the lovers that are on the "I lift" side of the line, they do. But the other ones, they got titties.
Kenrya: That's fine, say that out loud. You did say that out loud.
Erica: I love meat.
Kenrya: Nothing wrong with that either.
Erica: It was funny because I definitely had ... Okay. If you ask me, I say I don't have a type, all right. Everybody around me says I have. Then one of my girlfriends-
Kenrya: You 100% have a type.
Erica: One of my girlfriends from fucking sixth grade was like, "Yeah. We was at sixth grade. Erica was like, 'Oooo, I love some Gerald Levert."
Kenrya: You're consistent.
Erica: You're like a big old nigga that's got ... “What's up?” And I did. I was like, "Oh, damn. Did I?" Yeah.
Kenrya: You know I used to be in a choir. Every time you hear “Ain't No Stopping Us Now,” you text me and be like, "Bitch, you ruined my song." Because I was in this like ...
Erica: Which is why, wait, wasn't that what DMX was ... No. Was it DMX? Who was it? At the end of the Verzuz, somebody would-
Kenrya: It was ... Oh my God. It was Wu-Tang. So it was ...
Kenrya: I forget, it was someone that ...
Erica: Ghostface and ...
Kenrya: The little short one.
Erica: Yeah. Wait. Ghostface is the little short one.
Erica: Yes, yeah.
Erica: The little gummy bear. They was like doing that old grandpa. The grandpa-ass.
Kenrya: Yes, with a towel.
Erica: Yeah. I was just like, “Oh shit.” Here Kenrya go.
Kenrya: Yeah. I'm from Cleveland. This was sponsored by the radio station, WZAK.
Kenrya: 93.1. It was the Black station back then. I don't know what it is now because I haven't been home and I don't listen to the radio when I do go home. But I know we got some listeners in Cleveland, y'all, I'm talking about. They used to sponsor this choir and it was kids. We sang church songs. I think they called us an “inspirational choir.” So we traveled to churches all around the state. Yeah. Lots of Kirk Franklin, lots of “Ain't No Stopping Us Now.” So we would tour churches and we would sing there. And so I met a bunch of people actually in doing that. I forgot where I was going with this story, but whatever. Mike Tyson, we opened for Hammer once, we opened for Mase. We opened for Total, at Geauga Lake. We sang “The Star-Spangled Banner” at the circus. I mean, just literally anything that you ...
Erica: Y'all need kids? We got some.
Kenrya: Yeah. We would have our call time. We had all these different outfits. So they'd be like, “Red.” So all through Christmas, we had red. We had our red dresses. We had green dresses. We had black, we had white. Just depending on what the church was, if it was daytime, if it was nighttime. We was all over the place. I cannot remember why I started this story.
Erica: Me either. Well.
Kenrya: It was something about “Ain't No Stopping Us Now.” Then there was another song.
Erica: Ghostface. Rakewon, Rakewon the Chef, “Cherchez La Ghost”face.
Kenrya: I'm sure it will come. I'm sure it'll come back to me.
Erica: That song reminds me so much of freshman year. It comes-
Kenrya: “Tommy Mattola lives on the road. For what?” (singing).
Erica: So my group of homies in college, I'm letting you provide the soundtrack.
Kenrya: I don't remember. I don't know. You good.
Erica: No, you got it.
Kenrya: “He lost his-” (singing).
Erica: So my group, my crew freshman year was a chick from Oakland, a chick from Brooklyn, a chick from the Bronx, me from St. Louis, and a chick from Chicago. I'm probably missing somebody. But it was definitely West Coast, East Coast, Midwest. Did I have somebody from San Francisco and shit? I don't think so. But anyway, there are certain songs that I hear and I think about, looking at something, a chick from Detroit. So I think about looking at particular people in the club. That song, my friend from Oakland would get so hype and start crip walking to it. Then my girls, from fucking Brooklyn be like, "You can't fucking crip walk to that song. You can't crip walk to that song."
Kenrya: I mean, it literally makes no sense. How do you even crip walk to that song? It don't lend itself to it.
Erica: Crip walking was generous.
Kenrya: I'm sure you can crip walk to anything. Okay.
Erica: No. The idea that she was crip walking was generous. I mean, whatever, I whatever.
Kenrya: I used to only be able to crip walk to "Drop it Like it's Hot." If "Drop it Like it's Hot" came on and I had shots, I was crip walking.
Erica: No. “Xplosive.”
Kenrya: Also “Xplosive.”
Erica: Wait, wait.
Kenrya: That's not “Xplosive.” That's not it. That's not “Xplosive.”
Erica: Well, anyway. I can crip walk to specific songs.
Kenrya: “The Next Episode.” I don't know what it's called but it's what they say.
Erica: Yeah. Then in “The Next Episode.” Then they always go into “Xplosive.” The reds. Okay. So thinking about this story, this chick took a very, very vanilla situation. She went and left. She went and left.
Kenrya: Yeah. Something I would never ...
Erica: In the most ... Because here's the thing-
Kenrya: It's so businesslike when you're actually getting it done.
Erica: So that wasn't the lit, like her anthology. So we were like just flipping through. I think I was the one that first found, who was flipping through. I was like, "Brazilian Wax," I was like, "Oh shit." Turn on a bitch real quick. It made me question, and I think we asked this of our guests in the next episode but like, "Okay. Have you ever had a situation like that?" I was thinking as I prepared for this episode, at first, I was thinking, "No." Then I remembered I dated barbers.
Kenrya: You date barbers.
Erica: Only two. So one, it was the stereotype guy.
Erica: But then I remember I was dating this one guy who was a barber. I was a little thot. I always used to tell my ex-husband, "Nigga, I became an adult in DC. So yeah." But yeah, there was this guy. He was a barber. He was at a particular shop, I'm not going to call it out because they didn't have many young people. So y'all know exactly who it was. Except he wasn't that young.
Kenrya: I was going to say, okay young.
Erica: But this was when I was living in the house.
Erica: There was a barber shop nearby. Okay. It was so gross. So I went there, and I got my hair cut by this dude. He kind of kept like ...
Kenrya: Of course he did.
Erica: I mean, niggas are niggas, right? Erica is a nigga, right?
Erica: If you're going to drop it, I might pick it up. So he kept dropping, and I was like, you know what, I will pick this up. So we ended up fucking in the barber shop.
Kenrya: Okay. That is very similar to this situation.
Erica: Yeah, but it was. Because it was like I had an evening appointment. Then he just kept dropping it. Then he cut my hair. I was like, "Oh. Well, I'll wait for you to clean up." Then he cleaned up. Then like ...
Kenrya: Did y'all go to the ...
Erica: In the front.
Kenrya: Isn't there a window?
Erica: Not that barbershop. Well, maybe you are thinking it. Not the one ... Goddammit okay. But anyway.
Kenrya: You were able to be concealed from the street.
Erica: We were able to conceal what was happening, because it was in the evening. The lights were out. But yeah.
Erica: I definitely did that, I definitely did that.
Kenrya: Was it worth it? Did you enjoy it?
Erica: Bitch, I didn't remember until fucking less than 24 hours ago when I was trying to prepare for this show.
Kenrya: Okay. I mean, it served a purpose of ...
Erica: Yeah. I was like ... Yeah. But anyway, it definitely went left. Have you ever had any situations like that?
Kenrya: Mm-mm (negative).
Erica: I was thinking ...
Kenrya: I can't think of any. No. I mean, you know my history about as well as I do. I don't think so.
Erica: Okay, so you know how we talk about barbers. So what did they say were thot jobs?
Kenrya: Thot jobs.
Erica: Barbers. HVAC techs.
Kenrya: Barbers, DJs.
Erica: DJs. Y'all. Barbers, DJ, HVAC techs.
Kenrya: Promoters, club promoters.
Erica: Promoters be like swimming pussy.
Kenrya: That's the number one thot job.
Erica: Yeah, yeah.
Kenrya: Tattoo artists, word to my cousin.
Erica: Girl. What does it mean?
Kenrya: My cousin is an excellent tattoo artist.
Erica: Speaking of which, I got started my tattoo removal today. Nigga. That shit hurt.
Kenrya: You were there for so long. Yeah. Even with the numbing stuff?
Erica: Yeah. I knew I should've brought my own numbing cream or at least did it. But it was so fucking long. The entire time, I was like ... But it's on its way out.
Kenrya: Okay. Hopefully, it's just a few sessions and it'll be clear.
Erica: Yeah. I'm hoping. They say three at the minimum. But start talking.
Kenrya: Okay. Well, hopefully.
Erica: Okay. Yeah. Sorry.
Kenrya: It will be fast and the estimate of three would be accurate and you don't have to deal with that too much longer. You can pre-numb before you go?
Erica: Huh? What's that?
Kenrya: You can pre-numb now that you ...
Erica: I want to pre-numb before I go. Then also I'm wondering if I can ice myself because when you're doing it, they have a vacuum cleaner that it blows cold air on it while they're doing it. Yeah. It's like the equivalent when you're getting a wax and you go ... Then she slaps it.
Kenrya: Yeah, yeah. Okay.
Erica: So yeah. You what feel good ...
Kenrya: Can you bring that little portable fan thing that you have?
Erica: No, their shit's better, it's like ... Oh my. Okay. Waxing. I'm all over the place on this call. Waxing.
Erica: Everyone thinks that the hardest part is between your booty cheeks. Right?
Kenrya: That's the easy part.
Erica: That's the easy part.
Kenrya: You don't even feel nothing at that point.
Erica: Flip over. Here, okay.
Kenrya: Yeah, that's the easy part.
Erica: That's the best part. Because you'd be coming out.
Kenrya: Yeah, it don't even feel like nothing. That's when you start talking.
Erica: Did I tell you I bought a home wax kit?
Kenrya: No. I was thinking of our friend who bought one. Maybe talk about that.
Erica: Amazon needs to stop allowing me to purchase things. Right?
Kenrya: We got at least two friends who tried that who said it was hell. Why did you do that?
Erica: Anyway, yes. I bought it. I feel like Amazon needs a parental purchase, a button that triggers if I'm going to order something, it should email you or somebody and be like ...
Kenrya: Do you approve?
Erica: Let someone with a cooler head decide it. Okay. So also, sex with unexpected people. Have you had sex with somebody that you had been like, that you didn't ... That you were like, "This would be nice." But then it happens. You were like, "Well, goddamn."
Kenrya: Okay. Not that. I've had sex with someone, who I had never ever thought about having sex with. Then it happened.
Erica: Was it a monster dick?
Erica: Was it good sex?
Kenrya: It was fine, it was very fast.
Erica: You made that shit sound like it was a fucking peanut butter and jelly sandwich.
Erica: I mean, he had some protein and sugars in it.
Kenrya: You were there.
Erica: I was there?
Kenrya: It was a very drunken. Okay. So this is when I came. No. This was our lost weekend. Okay, okay. It was in a bathroom. It was a lot of people in various areas. Yeah, ended up being in the bathroom because there was somebody else in the bed.
Erica: Ah, the Easter situation. Now, I got this situation. And continue.
Kenrya: Yeah, no. Because I remember there was somebody else in the bed.
Erica: It was a lot happening, it was a lot happening. It's funny because this particular group of people that are always like, "Oh my God. I've never been to a sex club. I'd never ..." Bitch, I can tell you a weekend you were at a sex club.
Kenrya: What do you think that was?
Kenrya: Yeah, yeah. I walked in on all kinds of things. It was a night, it was a weekend.
Erica: It was a weekend. Oh. That was a bad weekend.
Kenrya: I mean, yeah. So the actual situation was very fast. It was the culmination of two very drunken days. I wasn’t expecting a lot, but it was like, this is how this has to end. We have to do this. We can't not do this. But it was also someone who I've known for years. It was fine. But you know what it was? It was like, oh, maybe we'll try this again when we're actually sober and want to take time and that kind of thing, but not like ... I don't know. The shortness of it was excused by everything that had come before is really all I can say. I didn't expect a lot.
Erica: I've had homies that were like homies. We definitely had sex on some overt homies. But we didn't become homies, I don't think either of us became homies with the intention of this is only sex. It would be just like we grew up with homies. Then we had sex. It was like ...
Kenrya: Yeah. That was that situation. I don't know that either of us thought it was going to necessarily turn into something more. I remember we talked after. We're like if we ever happen to be in the same city again, because neither of us lived in DC at the time. So it's like if we ...if we happen-
Erica: That was the wildest-
Kenrya: To be in the same city.
Erica: Fucking weekend ever.
Kenrya: Holy shit. We'll have to do a story time on that one time. Then the next time we saw each other, we were both married. So that was that. Yeah.
Kenrya: So definitely came out of left field is not at all what I thought was going to happen that weekend. Then here we go.
Erica: What's crazy I like he was one of them pass around niggas.
Erica: He was for the streets.
Kenrya: A whole lot of people that went that road. Yes, definitely for the streets.
Erica: He was for the streets. I mean, but hey. Not really for me.
Kenrya: Yeah. But I never had a situation like this with the ... Well, I'm past stranger situations. But those are like I made a determination of what I was going to do and then I ...
Erica: Do tell. You got a story for us?
Kenrya: I think I've already told those stories on the one night ... We did a one-night stand storytime. I already told those.
Erica: Yeah. Okay, okay.
Kenrya: Or some of them.
Erica: All right. Yeah. So yeah. Not that this is my MO, but it has happened enough with me. Remember you were telling about the guy in the Subway that was cute. Then I was like, "Don't tell me." Then we'd always be at that Subway and like, "Why we always get free food at this Subway?”
Kenrya: He was such a cutie patootie. Yeah. Then they closed that Subway. So that was that.
Erica: That was that. Damn. I can't fuck for a tuna sandwich. So horrible. Okay. I'm trying to think if I had like an unexpected. I mean, yeah, it's just been friendships where it was just like, "Oh, we ended up here." Again, I have no problem showing my puss, showing a titty. He didn't either. Then I was like, "Well, that's a nice looking finger. I wonder when that was on."
Kenrya: All right. It's funny. My partner and I were just having this. We've already talked about this, and I think he just forgot about one of the friends that I had sex with because ...
Erica: Was this like because he was watching your video?
Kenrya: No. Oh no, no. We never did that. It was because somebody called on my birthday. I had already told him that story, but I guess he forgot. So I had to tell that my story, because that's the one time I ever cheated. We should tell them our cheating stories. Yes. Not now. But on another episode. The one time I ever cheated.
Erica: I ain't trying to get you jacked up.
Kenrya: Well, anyway-
Erica: We all cheated, I cheated.
Kenrya: He had forgotten that that was the that was the person who I had cheated with, or whatever. But I never get that. I was very upfront about the fact that that was the situation that I did. I mean, it was what it was.
Erica: Yeah, I'm like ...
Kenrya: We'll do cheating on another episode.
Erica: But yes.
Kenrya: Because cheating doesn't factor in here.
Erica: So this makes me think of friends that we fuck and how like some guys are like women and men can't be friends because there's always a chance that you're going to fuck and that kind of thing. I get it because I definitely have guy friends that I fucked. The guy friends that I have fucked that I still keep around, it's not like we would get so wrapped up that was like ... So it was like, all right. We did it, we did it.
Kenrya: I think maybe some of that is because they don't know how to turn that off and we do. Maybe? You know what I mean?
Erica: You know what, it reminds me of what Akynos said when we were interviewing her and she was like,"You take different energy at different places." So like a gynecologist sees pussy all day, but he ain't going to take gyno energy into seeing his woman's pussy.
Kenrya: Exactly. Yeah, that's a really great “anagoly.”
Erica: “Anagoly.” Did you call it “anagoly”?
Kenrya: I was trying to just keep going and then your bitch ass had to point it out.
Erica: Because you never fuck it up. So I'm sorry. I'm usually the one like, "Is that a word?" Yes, Erica. It is a word.
Kenrya: It's a wonderful analogy. Because I remember when my friend and I were first having in the beginning, conversations about friends and exes and that kind of thing. He's like, "There are certain subjects that I literally never talk to women who I'm not in a relationship with." He was like, "Because I don't ever want the conversation to go left." He was like, "So I just don't put myself in those situations and then I don't have to worry about it because they don't cross the line, because I don't talk about those topics." I was like, alright.
Erica: Yeah. I don't trust a nigga that will come to me for relationship advice. One, nigga, I'm not the one to be coming to for relationship advice. Because I'd be like, "Have a threesome. Bring a friend in. Show her how much you love her." I'm the wrong person. So I know if you're trying to have like, "My girl won't do a thing." Nigga ...
Kenrya: Yeah, yeah. That explosion.
Erica: It'll be different if I knew I gave solid advice to relationships. Not that I give fucked up advice. But no. If you came to me like, hey, teach my wife how to suck some dick, great. You've got a fucking pro here. Right? But if you're trying chill, nigga. What the fuck I look like?
Kenrya: Yeah. Don't come to me complaining about ...
Erica: You're trying to tell me you got to a ... So yeah. Well, no, nigga. No, no. So I just try to ...
Kenrya: Well, it comes down to having healthy boundaries and not let a nigga let you suck you into their stuff, you know what I mean? So anyway, none of that anything to do with what happened.
Erica: Girl, how did we even get here? I'll get a new chair, y'all. Because I'm not getting here. Yeah. Well, long and short of the story, I like the waxed puss. Kenrya likes a Caesar.
Kenrya: No, I like one little line. But I'm not interested in the time or the effort or the pain that it takes to get there. So I only do it occasionally.
Erica: Okay. All right. Okay.
Kenrya: So yeah. I don't care enough to put myself through that on a regular basis, especially not during COVID. I'm good, but that's me.
Erica: I have a hell of eyebrows done, but definitely need the nails done. Okay. So do you have anything else to say about this story before we move onto ...
Kenrya: What's turning us on?
Erica: Jesus fucking Christ.
Kenrya: No. I did, I did.
Erica: Jumpin Jehosephat. Okay.
Kenrya: Girl, I didn't.
Erica: We're going to take a break and come back to ...
Kenrya: What's turning us on.
Erica: We'll be back.
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Erica: Okay, y'all. So this week's What's Turning Us On, first, I decided to bring ... Oh my. This is one of my bags that I keep, and I keep lots of things. Then what's there? Those are some condoms. This is my little travel massager, I got to pack sex toys for my Eat Pray Love.
Kenrya: Yes, you do.
Erica: Do you know what sex toy I am going to pack?
Kenrya: Bitch, what?
Erica: This one. So it's kind of the same concept as the rubber ducky except is not as loud. I don't think I charged it, so fuck.
Kenrya: That's okay, we don't need to hear. Well, we hear it now.
Erica: It's a cute little nipple and clit stimulator. It provides vibration. It provides suction. If you don't want a little rubber ducky around your house and you just need something that looks a little more adult, this is your friend. I used this the other night, and I was pissed because I had to change my sheets afterwards.
Kenrya: Why? Oh. Is that right? Well, done little pretty thing.
Erica: Y'all need this because this little puppy is fantastic. It's waterproof again. This little baby is going on my trip with, on my Eat Pray Love trip with me.
Kenrya: It's a decent size. That's silicone too, right?
Erica: Yeah. It's silicone, so water-based lubes, liquid only. See how big. I feel like I'm ...
Kenrya: On IG doing a makeup tutorial.
Erica: This is a color, this is a color. So this is a little nipple and clit stimulator, of course again.
Kenrya: I bet you could find some other places to use that too.
Erica: Oh, fuck, yes. Like a gooch?
Kenrya: Yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Erica: So back up. Remember. You gooch! Yeah. Gooch. I'm always a fan of using a vibration when sucking dick. Like if you cup in the balls and you got a little vibrator, nothing too-
Kenrya: Yeah. Some people like it. Some people don't. But it's worth a shot. Yeah.
Erica: It can be too much because I have a little cock ring, a vibrating cock ring. There he is. There he is. So I have a vibrating cock ring. Most guys say they don't like them because it's too distracting.
Kenrya: Yeah. Well, I take it.
Erica: So I actually like the idea of this.
Kenrya: Yeah, some say it's distracting.
Erica: Just a little vibration because you can just go away, but ... I like the idea of this because you can just add a little bit and take it away a little bit, take it away. The equivalent of sprinkling some salt on it. Whereas this ...
Erica: Okay, y'all. That wraps up this week's episode of The Turn On. This is Erica and Killa.
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Kenrya: Come here. Get off.
Erica: Welcome to this week's episode of The Turn On. Today we will be reading a number of poems. I was about to say a number of poetries. A number of poetries from the anthology called “Black Lesbians—We Are the Revolution,” which was edited by JP Howard and Amber Atiya for Sinister Wisdom in winter of 2018. Sit back, relax. Get your wine, get your weed, get your whatever you need, and enjoy.
Kenrya: “Sinister Wisdom's Black Lesbians—We Are the Revolution.” Edited by JP Howard and Amber Atiya. “Questioning” by Vanesa Evers. I kissed her, not the other way around like my mother told me it would happen. She said the lesbian was aggressive, didn't care if you liked girls or not, they would attack you when you least expected it, but I kissed her and felt heaven inside. Should I tell my mother I am the aggressive lesbian she warned me about.
Kenrya: “Non/fiction” by Vanesa Evers. You ask me to kneel down between legs and suck what was never given to you but you don't want it really. Just want me spreading my tongue's liquid over the strapped firmness. I call you daddy, even though neither of us like ours, but daddy, you feel so good in my mouth. I stay down there until you release the back of my head, wanting me to believe something slid down my throat. It's okay though. I never liked it anyway.
Kenrya: “Black Moon” by Akinfe Fatou. I study the choreography of your heartbeat, your perfect saunter, what it means to be Black, to be lesbian and fearless. To be proud, daring to heal, save and love ourselves, to free our bodies in the face of patriarchy. In a society that sensationalizes violence against us. And seeks to marginalize, crucify, and shame us. Our existence is revolutionary. Our lovemaking is an act of resistance. We belong to ourselves and God.
Kenrya: “Untitled (Up In Harlem),” by Alena Singleton. I married u while making love to u, on a bare mattress, on a concrete floor, one sweaty night up in Harlem. I pledged my vows onto your thighs. The arch of your back quietly replied, “I do.”
Kenrya: “Hissing Fanon and Fuck You” by Arianne V. Benford. Fingertips raking trenches cross where my wings hide. Hissing Fanon and fuck you in the hollows of a spine curved as tempest. Tying your rings in my locks for safe keeping, because my skin weeps for you in eighty plus degrees. Now I know you know better. You know better than to call the fluttering in my thigh slight, the shiver and kick of drunken mule reckoning with hands of bridle and brass, that pulse circles and fireside two step. Conversation gurgling forth a brook from this throat ajar. Like thunder fracturing a 4:00 a.m. sky, there is nothing slight here. The way we bite and push, shove and suck, and stain the hardwood floor. Your hips above the face bowl bracing your left foot against the bathroom wall. The way our lips room temperature spread. Nothing slight when that stare carves up my ass for later, like enemies in honor, and honor in love, tangenting arguments in a succinct prayer, eyes open, eyes closed, claws out.
Kenrya: “Whole, and Nothing But” by Arisa White. My body feels true against your body. I swear, the truth. This sentence found an end. Start meets beginning—chest to chest, I swear. True as the dusk we love, my lifelines deep in the kink and kitchen of your hair. I got your cornrows, you got me by the breasts. Between our teeth, we need no standing translation.
Erica: Okay, y'all, so welcome back. Thank you, Kenrya, for your lovely rendition of the poetries. Did I say the-
Kenrya: The poetries.
Erica: The poems.
Kenrya: The poetries.
Erica: The poetries. Thank you so much. Okay, so we'll just jump right in to each one of them. Just a little bit about the anthology that we read. It's called Sinister Wisdom. They're a lesbian literary art journal. They release I want to say quarterly issues.
Kenrya: Yeah, I do believe so.
Erica: Because the one that we read from is Winter 2018, so they release quarterly issues of lesbian poetry.
Kenrya: Other things too. There's the Pat Parker collection that we read from last season was published by Sinister Wisdom too.
Erica: Yes, and also just in the journal, they also include stuff like photographs and art and that kind of thing. It's more than just poetry.
Kenrya: It's a pretty robust collection.
Erica: A robust collection. Good way to put it, Killa. The first poem that you read was “Questioning.” I think we've touched on this a little bit this season. They talk about how you ... Vanesa Evers wrote this article. Gosh, what's wrong with me? Vanesa Evers wrote this poem. To me the biggest thing that I took away from this is who are you in a relationship versus who people think you are. Like I said, we talked about this a little bit this season so far. One of the lines that stood out was how she ends it, "Should I tell my mother I'm the aggressive lesbian she warned me about?" It's interesting how you play, not that you play roles, but you have roles within your relationship that are intimate to the two of you and not necessarily what's projected on the outside or what people may think-
Kenrya: That's interesting.
Erica: ... or what people may know, because I think about just me as a person. I'm a very dominant force.
Kenrya: Yes, you are.
Erica: I'm a lot of person. I'm a dominant person. I find that I tend to take a more submissive backseat role in relationships, and I enjoy that. Where I fucked up is taking a submissive backseat role to motherfuckers that didn't deserve-
Kenrya: Don't know how to lead.
Erica: Yeah, exactly. Actually, I'm fine with that, I'm cool with it for the right person. Thank God for discernment now that I'm able to discern.
Erica: I think people see me and see my dynamic and relationships and think, "Oh, this bitch is running all the shots," where really it's like, eh, I don't mind running shots, but I also would love to have a nigga be the one riding.
Kenrya: Be the shot caller.
Erica: Exactly. Exactly. You know what? As I said that, it makes me think, you know how you hear women say, shit, I said this, birds said, "I'm a strong woman. I need a strong man to control me." Slow down, buckaroo!
Kenrya: Yeah, I feel like I've definitely heard you say that before.
Kenrya: I do believe I've heard you say that before, in your 20s.
Erica: Exactly. It's not even not necessarily that. It's not that, because you don't need ... I'm not like some fucking ape or donkey that needs to be controlled.
Kenrya: That's good.
Erica: We've said this before. I need to trust that you are going to lead us. I've found myself putting my trust in niggas that didn't quite need that, that didn't deserve that blind trust. Does that make sense?
Kenrya: It does make sense. I've been there.
Erica: You smell what I'm dropping?
Kenrya: I do. I really hate that analogy.
Erica: I know. It's grody.
Kenrya: I just see a horse pooping in the road.
Erica: Whatever, because I was just talking about a donkey.
Kenrya: Yes, that's what did it, the combination of the things.
Erica: The combination of the two. I definitely think about that, and then I think about relationships that I see and you're like, "Oh, he must be running the show," when maybe not. Maybe not quite.
Kenrya: It just really brings us back to this idea that we never really know what's going on in folks' relationships. We were just talking about this.
Erica: Just said that.
Kenrya: First of all, people put the version of their relationships in public that they want to, which is why anytime I see somebody say anything about goals about some shit they see on social media, I'll be like, "Oh baby, no."
Erica: I saw this meme on, it was somewhere, probably on my For You page or something, and it had a picture of Will and Jada, and they were cackling like, "Ha ha ha!" It was like, "Oh, and you all said we was goals." I'm like, "Exactly."
Kenrya: You never know how messy somebody's shit is on the inside.
Erica: I remember I had this person I worked with, and they were a fucking mess at work, just difficult. My other coworkers and I would sit around talking. We'd be like, "Oh, this nigga must not run shit at home, because he come here and is just a jerk, and there's no way in the world he do this shit at home and still with somebody." Years later he got divorced, and I talked to his partner. She was like, "Oh."
Kenrya: I know who you talking about.
Erica: "There's a reason that we got divorced." That shit was-
Kenrya: He tried that same shit at home.
Erica: Exactly. Exactly. It definitely makes me just ... This was an example of that. Then just the way that Vanessa talks about her mother explaining lesbians are aggressive, this is what lesbians do.
Kenrya: It brings us to those stereotypes, right?
Erica: Mm-hmm (affirmative). It reminds of, have I said this on the show, about how my granny was telling me, talking to me and my sister, and she said, "I know why them Black men like going with them white women." Me and my sister was like, "Why?" She said, "Because they let them, them white women's put they mouths on them Black men's penis. Ain't no self-respecting Black woman going to put her mouth on a man's penis."
Kenrya: Were you all already sucking dick at this point?
Erica: This was maybe five years ago, five to 10 years ago.
Kenrya: You'd sucked lots of dicks at that point.
Erica: Me and my sister looked at her and was like, "Oh my God, granny. Never. Thank goodness I'm with a Black man that don't believe in that kind of stuff. Pass me a water."
Kenrya: You nasty.
Erica: I know. It's another one of those situations, where you're like, "Aw. Poor thing." Now my granny's an ancestor, and she'd probably be like, "Oh, Jesus, the things that I missed."
Kenrya: The things that she sees, because I believe that our ancestors be hanging out, boy. They see more than we think they do.
Erica: Did we talk to our intuitive about that? I think I asked her or I saw her say somewhere, "Do they watch me when I'm rubbing one out?" She was like, "It's like they just close the door, like, 'Okay, we don't need to see that.'"
Kenrya: I remember once I was seeing our intuitive. This is right around when I was getting ready to ... I had already left my now ex-husband. She was communing with my grandmother. She was like, "Your grandmother funny as shit." I was like, "Yeah, she was." She was like, "She just said you about to have all kinds of nasty sex and she's so excited for you." I was like, "Thanks, grandma."
Erica: "Thanks, grandma."
Kenrya: She's very invested in the fact that I was going to have an amazing sex life, and I appreciate it.
Erica: I love that about our intuitive. One time she was like, "Do you see this card? It's a big eggplant, all this explosive stuff. He got a big dick and he's juicy." I was like, "Thank you. Thank you. That is very good to know." That's all I got for that one. You got anything to add about that one?
Kenrya: No. The lovely thing is that we're actually going to have Vanesa on the show next week, and so we get to dive even deeper into that poem with them, so it'll be great.
Erica: I know. That's why I'm trying not to do ...
Kenrya: Do too much there.
Erica: Say too much. On to another Vanesa poem, we read “Non/fiction.” This one's interesting, because she's using this poem to explore things that are roleplay, in a good way. I think we talked very early on in this show about roleplay and how I don't do costumes. "I'm a robot dinosaur." In this one she says, "I'll call you Daddy, even though neither of us liked ours, but you feel so good in my mouth." It's interesting how we use roleplay to explore some-
Kenrya: Work through our-
Erica: What'd you say?
Kenrya: I was going to say explore, but also to work through our shit.
Erica: Maybe we'll dig a little deeper into that, because I have been reading articles about how people use BDSM to work through trauma. I find that very interesting that they use some of the same things that were used against them to strengthen them.
Erica: Put a pin in that. We'll come back to that, because I don't necessarily feel like I am the one qualified to lead that discussion, but I think it's a good discussion worth having.
Kenrya: I love that.
Erica: Also, what I like about the end of this poem is how when you're using a strap, you get into it, and so they're like, "Look, stay down there until you cum," like you're using the strap to cum. It's like, "Wanting me to believe something slid down my throat, but that's okay, because I never liked that part anyway."
Kenrya: It's a very honest poem.
Erica: It's very honest, but it's also just really cool how they are aware that they're role-playing but feel so into it. I was dating this would guy, and he would let me peg him occasionally.
Erica: Damn. You was like, "Hm. Yeah."
Kenrya: I was just thinking I hadn't heard about this, and this is exciting. It feels like some kind of a fucking unicorn. I'm assuming this was a Black man that would actually let you-
Erica: It's a Black man. I'll tell you who it is when we get off of this because-
Kenrya: That's fucking dope.
Erica: Your mind will be blown at exactly who it is.
Kenrya: Oh, because I got an idea who I think it is.
Erica: Your mind will be blown.
Kenrya: I love it.
Erica: I loved it because I did it, but he would always be like, "Oh, I'm only letting you do this because you like to, you like this power." I'm like-
Kenrya: "Okay, nigga."
Erica: ... "Nigga, don't nobody just spread they booty cheeks because somebody else like it. You got to-"
Kenrya: To be clear, it feels good.
Erica: It does!
Kenrya: Stop acting like this shit don't feel good, like you don't got a whole organ that's right there that really, really loves this feeling.
Erica: That was my thing. I was cool with it. I was cool with it and I did it, because it was like, "Okay. All right. Let me do it. Wink. I like to do it," but it was just like, "Bruh, be real with yourself, because once you're real with yourself about that, then ... " Because we'd be doing it and he'd be like, "Don't you want to strap me?" I'd be like-
Kenrya: "Yeah, nigga."
Erica: ... "Yeah, okay." Yes, I did, but it was just like-
Kenrya: Yeah, he wanted it to be like it was your idea, not his all the time.
Erica: The thing is-
Kenrya: Just say what you want, bruh.
Erica: Niggas so dumb that they even ... He swore, he put it in my head, and it's like, "No, nigga. I like it, but you ain't ... " Anyway. The particular person that it was, they just made it seem like, "Oh, I care about you so much, I'm going to let you do it."
Kenrya: Did that take any of the shine off of it? Did it make it less fun because they weren't really standing grounded in the fact that this brought them pleasure?
Erica: Yes. Thinking about it now, yes, definitely, because for me I find that sex is fun when we're all in, when we just-
Kenrya: Everybody's enthusiastic.
Erica: Exactly. He was enthusiastic. He was trying to be like, "Aw. No, no! Okay, here."
Kenrya: He was being demure. Demure, but also it feels like, I don't know, I'm searching for a word. It feels to me, and tell me if this is what it felt like to you, almost on a continuum of a pity fuck, like, "Sure, if this is what you want, I'll do this." I want you to be ecstatic about what the fuck we're about to do. I don't want you to do it or make it seem like you're doing it just because it's something that I want you to do. I want you to do it because you're in and this is what you want to do at every step of the way.
Erica: Yes and no. Yes, I feel you on that, but it was clear to me once I got back there that he was-
Kenrya: You ain't stupid.
Erica: I think had I allowed the relationship to go further, I feel like I could've gotten that out of him. I ain't nobody's fucking counselor or therapist. I will be for the right person. I'm willing to explore those things with the right person.
Kenrya: He wasn't worth the investment.
Erica: It wasn't worth the investment, like, "All right. Now I'm going to open you up a little bit. Maybe the right person you'll find and you all can do this for real for real." It was definitely an interesting situation. I actually enjoyed it and loved the power and the roleplay that came from it, because even though I wasn't cumming from a dick, a plasdick, I still came from a plasdick. That was a good one.
Kenrya: Did it teach you anything about yourself and what you like?
Erica: I think it taught me that I like a nigga that's going to be honest about what he wants, because again, I don't want to feel like I'm having to ... You know how some niggas be like, "I don't want it if it's that easy," like the good reverend Tupac?
Kenrya: Uh-huh (affirmative).
Erica: I do want it if it's easy. That's my shit. Kenrya just did a body roll. The thing is, I do want it if it's that easy. I want us to all be clear about what the fuck we want and do it. I want us to be like, "Do you want to do it? Fuck yeah! Let's. Come on. I got the lube," pull out my favorite one, that kind of thing. I think that's what it taught me. I've always believed not to judge a book by its cover, but again, some niggas surprise you.
Kenrya: That they do.
Erica: That they do. On to the next. (singing) We read “Black Moon.” I loved this one. I love this one because it's a manifesto. I love the fact that they say, "Our existence is revolutionary. Our lovemaking is an act of resistance." I want to talk about this, but I don't really understand the situation enough. If I fuck this up, my bad. There's this rapper Tobin something. I feel horrible, because I actually really like him. It's the guy that did Arrest the Cops That Killed Breonna Taylor or the, you're not on the internet enough, “Try Jesus not me, Because I got these hands."
Kenrya: I watched that video.
Erica: That guy. It's him, I think it's his wife, and they got a kid, and the kid just be in the background like, "Wah!" Then they have a producer. I don't want to talk about it, because somebody's listening like, "No!" because I only catch them in passing on Instagram. I actually committed to following them today. I know we just talked about how you can't judge a book by its cover, you don't really know all of everything in a relationship, but that's what they feel like to me. They feel like this poem, where they just Black as fuck, they be in their Easter colors in a monochrome room. Is it monochrome?
Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative), all one color.
Erica: In a monochrome room just talking about being Black and loving each other and kissing on fat babies. It is just the best thing on earth. I think he's a gospel artist or a gospel rapper. Maybe not a gospel rapper, but he ain't one of them, "Fuck a bitch in the pussy until she cum 10 times," kind of gal, so I feel bad saying this, but I'd love to see a sex tape, a consensual sex tape, because he's just big and Black and got gold teeth and it's just sexy. Am I being problematic?
Erica: You're looking at me. Kenrya's giving me this look.
Kenrya: I'm just listening! I'm just listening.
Erica: She has this look that she gives me when I'm being problematic, and I wasn't sure if that was the look that you were giving me.
Kenrya: No, I'm literally just ...
Erica: I would love to see them making love together, because in my mind, granted “Black Moon” is about to be lesbian and fearless, but nonetheless, I still feel like to be Black and fearless. It's just the fact that we choose to love each other openly, out loud, and proudly, is a really big fucking deal, especially in a time where niggas trying to kill us.
Kenrya: All the time.
Erica: Also, not to take away from the actual poem, which is about lesbians loving each other out loud, again, in this time where queer people are just getting fucking dogged, not only by-
Kenrya: Especially Black queer people.
Erica: I was about to say Black queer people are not only getting dogged by straights, but by the same motherfuckers that they are help advancing the fight for. Why I want to call it a article? This poem really, really, I fucking loved it. I loved it, loved it, loved it.
Kenrya: By the time I got to, "We belong to ourselves and God," I was just fully taken.
Erica: Yes. It just feels good. It feels-
Kenrya: It's like the poetic equivalent of “Fuck Them Other Niggas.”
Erica: Yes! Which I listened to this morning.
Kenrya: We were dancing to it this weekend.
Erica: We were?
Kenrya: You were drunk.
Erica: We all were.
Kenrya: You were playing the music, bitch.
Erica: I was?
Kenrya: I was the only sober person.
Erica: Yes, you were playing the music. I'll have to go back and look at pictures.
Kenrya: Oh my God.
Erica: It was definitely a wild one. I will say that.
Kenrya: We had a fun day. A fun, safe day in the midst of all of this.
Erica: In the midst of all of this.
Kenrya: COVID shit.
Erica: Which again, we're in a place right now, I feel like we need “Black Moon” cast projected on the side of a building or something right now, because this is a poetic “Fuck Them Other Niggas.” It's beautiful. It's strong. This is who I am. This is what the fuck we're doing. I can't get enough of it. I'm about to fuck up this woman's name. Akinfe Fatou.
Erica: I know I can say Fatou. I can't say the first, Akinfe. I'm so sorry, hon. Good Midwestern tongue. Mark that on your bingo cards.
Kenrya: We need to really make bingo cards.
Erica: We are going to. Watch out for that in Season Four.
Kenrya: The only other thing I really want to say about “Black Moon” that I love is it starts and she says she's studying her partner and that her partner is showing her and embodying what it means to be Black, what it means to be lesbian, what it means to be proud, what it means to be free. I love the idea of being partnered with someone who helps you to be more of yourself and that helps to bring you to that place. That's why I love, by the time that she says, it goes from her studying her partner to her saying that our lovemaking is an act of resistance, so now you're not two separate entities, it's about what you do together. It's about the fact that you belong to yourselves and to God, that you have now come together. She's shown you what this means. She's modeled this for you, and now you're there in that same space together. I love that.
Erica: I believe that each relationship, good or bad, teaches you something. Do you believe that?
Kenrya: I do believe that. I'm thinking about my shittiest relationships and the fact that I learned something. Don't mean I want to do it again, but I did learn something.
Erica: Now that I am better at picking partners and relationships, I think I look forward to learning more about, okay, so I think I know everything there is to know about me, but what is there new to learn? What will this uncover, in a good healthy way, as opposed to, I don't want to have to hit rock bottom to learn X, Y and Z anymore. Just let me learn it from a game-
Kenrya: I told you.
Erica: ... or we-
Kenrya: An honest conversation.
Erica: Exactly. Some good questions. “Untitled (Up In Harlem).” Reading it reminded me of this relationship I had in college, only because it says, "I married you while making love to you on a bare mattress on a concrete floor."
Kenrya: Bitch, I almost spit out my tea.
Erica: I didn't marry a nigga, but I definitely had a relationship in college where we slept on an air mattress. I would leave a real dorm room to go sleep on a fucking air mattress.
Kenrya: Bitch, you was wiling.
Erica: I was in college and in love and I had a good back. Now I'd be like, "Mm-mm (negative)." I remember the night my ex-husband and I bought our house, and I was just so hype to ... I was like, "We bought this house. We're going to spend the night in it." I brought the air mattress that we had, and we slept in this empty ass house on an air mattress. I remember I woke up at 2:00 in the morning and this nigga was gone. I said, "Where the fuck is he?" I look outside and this nigga is in the car, with the AC on, knocked out. He was like, "I tried waking you up. I knew you'd come out here soon."
Erica: That shit don't work when you hit a certain age. At the time it was sexy. Not sexy, but it was just like, "Aw, humble beginnings."
Kenrya: "We're together."
Erica: "We'll write these stories later in life when we're married and kids about how we used to, 'Oh, I used to go to your daddy house and sleep on the air mattress on the floor.'" Nigga, no. Not at all. I will tell all my babies, "You deserve so much more."
Kenrya: You do.
Erica: You deserve so much more.
Kenrya: However, in this poem, the feeling that I got from it was like, yeah, it was probably not the ideal situation, but I was so into you and so wanting you in that moment, that even on a fucking concrete floor-
Erica: Sweaty night.
Kenrya: ... I still found my way to you.
Erica: Yes. It's beautiful. It's beautiful. It's sexy. I could feel this poem. Again, this poem, I'm holding it up, this poem is a romanticized version of what I thought the struggle was in college.
Erica: Not to look badly on this poem. I don't want to make it seem like-
Kenrya: It's a beautiful poem.
Erica: It's a beautiful poem. I just think that young girls, not all girls, but some girls get caught up in, "The struggle is going to bond us together and this is going to be beautiful, and we'll look back on it." No, honey. Even that particular guy was a sweetheart, and it was just circumstances, whatever, but no, honey.
Kenrya: Have you ever made any proclamations while having sex, said things for the first time?
Erica: Bitch! I can't find it. I have a text message. This dude that I used to fuck, I think I showed it to you, that was like, "You told me you loved me." I was like, "Oh, I was dick drunk. My bad." Don't trust me. If I was a nigga, I'd probably done bought a million bitches cars, because, "Can I have a car?" "Yep, whatever you want."
Kenrya: "Just keep sucking that dick."
Erica: "I said that? My bad." I try not to get too crazy, but I definitely get dick drunk, pussy drunk, gooch drunk. I learned about gooch and now I keep talking about it. I don't even play with the gooch too often. I have. What about you? You seem like you're just too levelheaded to do that.
Kenrya: Yeah, I've never said anything in the heat of the moment that I couldn't take back.
Erica: I'm trash. Also I'm a gemini, so I might've actually truly, truly felt it right then.
Kenrya: In that moment.
Erica: It's just ...
Kenrya: I'm always thinking about the consequences and the fallout of shit, so nah, son, I ain't never.
Erica: See, that's the thing. When I'm in it and it's good, I'm in it. "Erica, what's your name?" "I don't know!"
Kenrya: I've had people say things to me in the middle that they probably did not mean to say, but nah, because I try not to take those things too seriously.
Erica: I probably need to have a disclaimer written on my back, like, "If you are here, anything that's said at this point, just ignore it." I get dick drunk, and it is over for me.
Kenrya: The next poem, which I think is pronounced “Hissing Fanon and Fuck You,” but you just told me I was probably wrong.
Erica: You all know I can't fucking pronounce shit. I don't know why she thinks that. Anyway, continue.
Kenrya: This poem was interesting to me, because what I got from it is that it is these two people who are lovers, but also they hate each other's fucking guts.
Kenrya: When they come together, it's like an explosion. It's like thunder, it says. There's a conversion that's happening. Shit, "Shove and suck, and stain the hardwood floor." So much of this felt violent in some ways. That's not a bad thing if that's what you like. I speak from experience. It was this idea that as much as they hate each other is the same amount that they can't keep their hands off of each other, and the fact that when they do come together, it is an explosion and they just can't help themselves. Have you ever found yourself fucking somebody who outside of fucking you really can't stand?
Erica: I think we talked about that. I don't think so. Maybe. What'd I say? Go back. Run that tape back. I can't remember if I did or not. Shit, that was last episode.
Kenrya: Was it?
Kenrya: I don't think so.
Erica: Shit. Anyway.
Kenrya: Also, a bitch is old and we recorded this a while ago.
Erica: I don't think so, only because I want to feel like you really like me. I don't like that, "He's mean to me so he likes me," shit.
Kenrya: Yes, that's what we're talking about, teaching our kids that a nigga shouldn't be mean to you if he likes you.
Erica: I don't think I do that, but maybe-
Kenrya: Have you ever found yourself going back to have sex with someone who you broke up with who you don't like? I hear that a lot, where people break up but they're still having sex, and I've never actually done that before. That feels along the same lines, I guess, depending on how you all broke up.
Erica: No. Did I? I don't think so. You know these pussy miles more than me, so maybe.
Kenrya: No one that's coming to mind.
Erica: I definitely remember breaking up with someone and then getting drunk and calling them and then we got back together and was doing it, but none of the, because I don't need that toxic shit. If we broke up, we broke up for a reason. That was the only time I doubled back to somebody. I do have people that I've had very intense sex with, so it was never sweet fucking, it was never slow stroking. It was put the nigga in a headlock and riding him until he turn blue in the fact, that kind of shit.
Kenrya: Was that emblematic of the rest of you all's relationship or was it only like that when you were having sex?
Erica: Actually, it was very much the opposite. It was very sweet and kind and doting and all of that, but then once we got to doing the do, it was just some like, "Is that a bruise?" type shit, which to me was a turn on, because it was like, "You were so ... " It was a turn on, because-
Kenrya: It's like in the movie when they say the name of the movie in the dialog.
Erica: It was a turn on, because it was so opposite of who he was as a person and as a lover.
Kenrya: It was unexpected.
Erica: Yeah. The first time it happened, I was like, "Oh, shit." It was very different. I think that's what made it even that much hotter, because he was one of them niggas that would have taken off his jacket and put it over a puddle if I needed him to, that kind of shit.
Kenrya: I never understood that. I'm like, "Don't it just all get wet?"
Erica: Don't you just step in it? Yeah.
Kenrya: Yeah, but anyway.
Erica: It makes sense in cartoons. “Whole and Nothing But.” I think that this one, one of the biggest things that I got from this, and you brought this up, is that intimacy brings the truth between two people. I say this all the time. Once you done had your face in somebody's booty, certain walls are broken down. That's not always the case, which I find a bit problematic anyway, because it's like, "We doing something this close."
Kenrya: I think there's a lot of situations in which you can do something that close and then walk away.
Erica: You know what? I totally agree. I am one that always says, "Hey, sex and intimacy are two different things." In sex, it feels like their lovemaking, their sex is just so icky and sticky and raw and passionate that anything that could be between them is now, those walls have come down and they are now just ... Two becomes one.
Kenrya: In an extra Black way.
Kenrya: In a really extra Black way.
Erica: I was just about to say, "I got your cornrows. You got me by the breast."
Kenrya: Yeah, and, "My lifelines deep in the kink and kitchen of your hair." That ain't nothing but two Black women.
Erica: Two niggas, loving on one another and sexing on one another. It also feels like you don't know what ... Who sings that song, and it's like, "I don't know where the ending begins." India.Arie.
Kenrya: Brown Skin. That's one of my favorite lines in that song, "I can't tell where yours ends and I begin." Oof. Yes.
Erica: You all got me ready to go.
Kenrya: I feel that way often, because my partner and I are about the same color. I be like, "Yeah, that's true, I can't tell."
Erica: You all got me ready to go pat this puss. This was just Black as fuck and beautiful and we're just two just folks all stuck in with one another and in love. I loved it.
Kenrya: I love this repeating refrain of the, "I swear." It feels like such a ... First of all, when we were a kid, we weren't really allowed to say, "I swear," but if you said it, you meant that shit, like, "I swear!"
Erica: My father died when I was younger, when I was 10, so like, "Put that on daddy grave." You put that on daddy grave, then-
Kenrya: You meant that shit.
Erica: We mean business. "You put it on your granny!" That kind of shit.
Kenrya: Yes. That popping up that, "I swear, the truth, chest to chest, I swear," it just felt so uniquely us.
Erica: I think that's so true with this entire, all the poems, all the poetries that we read in today's episode. It's all so beautiful and so Black. The words, the fabric of it just feels ... I'm rubbing my fingers like I'm rubbing a slick do-rag.
Kenrya: The silkiest of the silks.
Erica: The silkiest of the silks. This just feels good and Black in the sense of everything. There are a million little bits that just wouldn't nobody else understand, but you understand it and feel it and it just feels Black. These have been amazing poems. We had a lot more that we liked, but we had to settle on only a few.
Kenrya: We had to pick a few. Thank you to all of the poets that we featured, because they all gave us permission and said, "Hey, yeah."
Erica: Thank you to our good homies at Sinister Wisdom, who I think this is the second time we've worked with them.
Kenrya: Always a pleasure.
Erica: Always a pleasure, always hooking us up with dope ass works. You all are the best. That wraps up this part of the episode. We will go on to, (singing), What's Turning Us On. What's turning me on this week is Sliquid. It is a type of lube. It comes in a bunch of different, I don't want to say flavors, because they don't taste, but-
Erica: Varieties. They come in a bunch-
Erica: A bunch of different blends. Sliquid is this really cool lube. It's a silicone-based lube, which means your body doesn't absorb it, which means a little bit goes a long way, and it stays. Only thing that I would not do is use that shit with your silicone toys, because it'll break it down.
Kenrya: It can make it sticky.
Erica: I love this fucking lube.
Kenrya: You put me on to this one.
Kenrya: You put me on to that one too.
Erica: Two things. One, they also sell them in little bitty packets, which are great for your hoe bag, so you don't have to tote a whole bag, a whole jar of lube, a whole bottle of lube with you. You can just dink dink dink dink dink. Second, a sex educator put me on to this. I think I might've mentioned it. Buy those little pumps, those little screw pumps, and put them in the top of your lube, so you don't have to-
Kenrya: That's way easier.
Erica: You literally just, and go at it.
Kenrya: I'm so sad that you all don't get to see all the hand movements.
Erica: Next season. Next season.
Kenrya: So many hand movements.
Erica: I love it. I think it's the best. We're going to include a link to it in the show notes.
Kenrya: In the What's Turning Us On page on our website.
Erica: If you're looking for just a good lube for everyday types of stuff, use this, or you could use it with your silicone toys, just got to put a condom over it. Use it. It's great. I love it. It's turning me on.
Kenrya: Love that.
Erica: That's all I got.
Kenrya: That's what up.
Erica: That was an easy one. This was an easy one.
Kenrya: Lube sells itself.
Erica: With that said, this was a great episode. You got anything else for us, any announcements?
Erica: Buy Kenrya's book.
Kenrya: Yep. I got another book out. Thanks, boo. It's called “Anti-Racism: Powerful Voices Inspiring Ideas.” It's available everywhere, but I always recommend that you buy it at a Black bookseller. Let's keep our money circulating our community.
Erica: We will include links in the show notes.
Kenrya: It's on our Bookshop page as well.
Erica: I'm sorry, that's what I meant. We'll include it on our Bookshop page. With that, this is Erica. Two hoes, making it clap. I can't do this on my own.
Kenrya: This is Kenrya, two hoes.
Kenrya: You said, "This is Erica."
Erica: No, I said, "This is Erica and Kenrya."
Kenrya: Mm-mm (negative).
Erica: My bad.
Kenrya: Making it clap!
Erica: With that said, this is Erica and Kenrya.
Kenrya: Two hoes.
Erica: Making it clap.
Kenrya: Making it clap. Whatever. One day. Maybe.
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