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In this episode of The Turn On, Erica and Kenrya chop it up with author Alexandra Warren about staying true to yourself, creating your own measures of success and setting it out for people who haven't yet earned it.
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Kenrya: Come here, get off.
Kenrya: Today we're talking to Alexandra Warren, pronoun she and her. Alexandra is a 20-something-year-old Nebraska girl who enjoys teaching, blogging, traveling, and, of course, writing contemporary romance novellas and her absolute favorite to write as well as to read. With 20-plus books under her belt and more on the way, she's excited to see what 2020 will bring. Wow. Hey, Alexandra.
Alexandra: Hello. Hello.
Kenrya: Thank you so much for coming on the show in the midst of chaos.
Alexandra: Of course. Thank you for having me and giving me something else to think about and look forward to because I need to stop watching TV.
Kenrya: Oh, my God. It's so much.
Alexandra: So, I'm glad to be here. It's so much.
Kenrya: Don't worry about [crosstalk 00:00:59]
Erica: Yeah, well I'm hoping lots of people are reading and catching up on podcasts instead of consuming this constant news, which I am trying to do, unsuccessfully.
Alexandra: Yes, it's so hard. It's so hard. But you got to take a break because otherwise, you'll be like-
Erica: A mess.
Alexandra: You'll look up and realize you've been sitting there for so long.
Erica: Mm-hmm (affirmative). Listen to all-
Alexandra: You're stuck.
Erica: Listen to all your auntie's conspiracy theories.
Alexandra: Girl, I had to like delete people off Facebook. It's too much.
Kenrya: I can't even go on Facebook. It's just freaking me out. At least with Twitter, I feel like sometimes some real information filters through, but it's still scary.
Alexandra: Yes, yes, it's too much to think about.
Kenrya: If y'all are listen to this anytime other than now we should give context.
Erica: Well, the quarantine.
Kenrya: Everybody's under self-quarantine.
Erica: Exactly. It's March 2020. Exactly. So now that we've talked about what you do. Question, when you were a little kid what'd you think that you were going to do as an adult?
Alexandra: I was 100% confident that I was going to be a teacher and I did teach. I taught preschool for a couple of years and realized they just don't make enough money. And adults, the adult part of it is more annoying than the kid part of it. So, I was always a reader and I had a friend who I started beta reading for her, Christina C. Jones, and I had just sent her something I had wrote on a whim. And she was like, "I need to see the whole page." And so, I sent the whole page. She was like, "Girl, you better finish this book?" And so, that ended up being my first release. And so, that happened as I was teaching. And so, I would literally be like, "Nap time." Okay, I'm about to do these edits real quick. Pat this baby on the back. And I got my iPad doing my little edits on the high. Then I was able to transition out of teaching into writing full-time.
Erica: That is so great. And as a parent that's on day three of homeschooling, no, we do not pay teachers nearly enough.
Alexandra: It's crazy. It's so crazy. So, you know as hard as it is on parents right now, I'm glad they get to experience what it's like with their one or two or even a handful and think, "Okay, most teachers have 15, 20, sometimes up to 30 of the same thing going on and having to manage that." So, shout out to teachers. Which is the perfect thing to say on this episode, considering what we'll be talking about.
Kenrya: Yes, exactly. Shout out to teachers. Wow. So I was going to ask how you got from wanting to teach to writing, but you just told us. I guess then my question is how did you come to actually publish your book, right? Because a lot of folks have something that they're working on in their spare time. How did you turn it from something that you were doing while you were patting backs to books that we're devouring?
Alexandra: So, I didn't know about self-publishing and so when I started the project I was talking about earlier, when I started writing that I was like, "This is going to be for fun, whatever. I'm going to self-publish it. It's not going to be a big deal. If nothing happens it will just be hiding on Amazon somewhere and nobody would know about it." But you know, learning the ins and outs of self-publishing, learning how much easier it is than submitting to a publishing house and waiting to hear back from them or being denied by them over and over again or finding an agent doing all that, I could go directly to consumers. And so, yeah, just learned about self-publishing using Amazon. As much as people hate Amazon sometimes, Amazon has really helped a girl out.
Kenrya: It does make it easy. Yeah, that's what's up.
Erica: Yeah, I'm not an Amazon lover. However, they have been really great as we find new writers on this show. We really want to showcase Black women writers and Black femme writers and everyone's, not everyone, but so many people are self-published and it's been really great to be able to kind of weed through the big names and find just people out there writing really good books.
Alexandra: Yes. Yeah. So, that's the thing about it was self- publishing, I think the voices are so much more authentic and they're so much fresher than what you're going to find on any bookshelves at the store or whatever. And so, I feel like once you get tapped in a little bit, you're like, "Okay, I want to find some more of this." And then you find this whole other community of writers and their books and these really contemporary, really fresh stories and fresh voices. And then it's like, "Hmm, do I really want to go back to the traditional stuff? I don't know?"
Kenrya: Yeah, well, it's real.
Alexandra: Nothing against them.
Kenrya: Not at all. I think it's all part of the landscape, right? Like we had Beverly Jenkins on and she talked quite a bit about how the traditional industry, publishing industry doesn't necessarily want us and doesn't always think that they can sell our stories and care about centering us. So, if we can do it without having to deal with them, why not?
Alexandra: Exactly. That's exactly what it is. And, we've found a way and continue to grow that. And so, I think now a lot of those publishing companies are looking into the indie landscape and kind of seeing, "Okay, what are they doing different?" And you know, we're just doing our thing, not even worry about them. Just doing our thing.
Erica: Yep. So, to call you prolific is an understatement. You are just cranking out books.
Alexandra: Oh, thank you.
Erica: How do you do it? What's your process?
Alexandra: So, ideas come to me. I don't have to think, "Okay, what am I going to write about next?" Stuff just happens and I'm like, "Ooh, that will make a good book." Like right now the project that I'm working on literally came off of, I was scrolling Instagram. On the explore page, there was this cute little couple with their little baby bump and a whole story came from just that little snippet.
Alexandra: All of it. And so, I'll get an idea and then I'll just start jotting down notes in my phone. Like any scenes that I already see happening, anything that I already know about these characters, or their backstory or whatever. Then I just sit down and go at it and I'll set like a little word count goal, at least 2,000 words a day. And then, that adds up pretty quickly that I can get them out in a month, a month or two or whatever, depending on how long it is. Especially writing novellas, often those go pretty fast writing that amount, so, yeah.
Kenrya: Wow. I'm interested in like you clearly have a very specific process. Do you also kind of have a formula for a successful book? Are there certain elements that pop up in your books that make it uniquely an Alexandra Warren creation?
Alexandra: Well, people tell me that they can really sense the freshness of it. They can tell that I'm younger, which I don't feel like, you know my knees crack when I get out of the bed. But, they can tell that I'm younger and they appreciate the freshness of it. They know that they're going to get a mostly happy story. There's not going to be a ton of angst. Just because I know when I sit down to read, I don't want to be sad. I just don't. I don't like things like that. Because I just need a pick me up and people know they can come to my books for a pick me up. So, I would say that would be the unique feature of my releases.
Erica: Yeah. So, we read, If Only for the Summer for our last episode and loved it. I finished it at like four in the morning and sent Kenrya an email that was like-
Kenrya: She did.
Erica: ... "This was so warm." It was just happily ever after and great. And so, we loved it and we thought the premise was super fun. It was two people booked to stay together in a condo owned by two friends. Where did you get the inspiration?
Alexandra: That one I actually started writing maybe a year before it even came out. I started it and it didn't feel right yet. And so, I just moved on and started writing other things and went back to it as the summer, I think it came out in 2017, as that summer was approaching and when I first started writing it I knew I wanted to write something about teachers. I knew there were going to be teachers and as somebody that likes to go to Florida a lot, I was like, "Oh, it will be fun if two people went to Florida," and using my different things that I've experienced on vacations there and things like that. If I put that in a book and, you know, is it a setup? Is it not a setup? Nobody really knows. But we're going to rock with it.
Alexandra: Then writing a single dad, that was something that I really wanted to do. I hadn't done up until that point, I think. So I really wanted to write a single dad and I really wanted to write a healthy co-parenting relationship because I think a lot of times when we see quote-unquote "baby mamas" in books, they're coming to bring the drama and I didn't want that. So yeah. So there was just a couple different elements I knew I wanted to put into a book and it came into fruition with If Only for the Summer.
Kenrya: Another thing that really popped up for us when we were reading the book was, I mean they were definitely absolutely shaking up.
Alexandra: They were.
Kenrya: Well, y'all know that dude.
Alexandra: They were. Like, nope, don't know each other, but y'all sharing home meals. Y'all planning around each other's schedule. Y'all planning around the baby, like yeah. Yeah, they got really comfortable.
Kenrya: Real quick. Right. And so it made us wonder, have you ever been in a situation where you gave somebody a little too much, a little too fast?
Alexandra: Me personally?
Kenrya: We're not talking about having like sex because-
Erica: Because, honey, I put it out on the first night.
Kenrya: Sex is sex. Not But emotionally.
Alexandra: No, I don't think so. I've been in a relationship for a really long time up until this point, since we were kids, literally. So, not me personally, but I've seen it and I feel like a lot of my inspiration comes from just stuff I see and people I know in real life. And so, I think that comes across when you're reading it, you're like, "I know people like this and I people that would do something like this." And so, yeah.
Kenrya: Or I have been this person.
Alexandra: Yeah, yeah. And they're reading, it's like, "Oh, this is like, whoa, this is a little triggering. Like, hold on." So, yeah.
Erica: So, one of the things that I loved about the book, you mentioned it how you'd like your stories to have a happily ever after and kind of cut out some of the bullshit. And I think that's why you're able to do novellas so successfully. Whereas, we would have like four chapters of someone, "Should I? Shouldn't I? What should I do?" I loved that in this story, guy was going through some things and his baby mom pulled him aside and was like, "Nigga, what is wrong with you? Go get your woman," and you cut out like four chapters of bullshit. It was just great to have really well-written characters that are not about the bullshit and just living good. The relationships between the two sets of best friends was just refreshing and as I was reading it I was like, "Wow, this Alexandra is like a normal person." I mean really.
Erica: Some writers are like sadists and they want their readers to like ...
Kenrya: Their characters to suffer.
Erica: Suffer. And, you just give the gift of a good story that just gets to the point.
Alexandra: Thank you.
Erica: Lets us feel good. Your books make me want to go on vacation because I see myself.
Alexandra: Oh, that's wonderful because I love vacations.
Erica: Oh, I did it. I like gushed about your book in the episode because, again, I love Miami, so it just your books, I'm like her books will my Kindle as I go lay on somebody's beach and read something that feels good about good Black people. I mean, I could see like beautiful brown people in your writing. It was just, it's an all-around good story. All of your, the books that I've read so far. But it just felt good to have just good normal people. It's like, nigga, what is wrong with you? Go get that woman.
Alexandra: Yes. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. I'm glad you, because that's what I want. It's good to hear somebody say it's like "Yes. Yes, Like I'm hitting exactly where I want."
Erica: Well, you are.
Alexandra: Regular Black folks falling in love and doing the silly stuff that comes with falling in love sometimes, but figuring it out and not playing games.
Erica: Yeah, well that's good. So, in addition to all your writing, you run Girl, Have You Read ... ?
Alexandra: Yes. That's exactly how I say it my head. So, thank you.
Erica: Well again, you threw it, I caught it. But it's a website and a brand that centers around Black love. How did you come to that work and why is it important to you?
Alexandra: So, Christina and I, there were like a couple of different diverse romance blogs that were out at the time and we were like, "Well, none of this really centers Black women, Black love." Like very specifically Black stories. Not that it's about excluding anybody, but we just want to shine a light on something very specific, a very specific niche. And so, we were like, "What should we call it?" And, so, we're like throwing names back and forth at each other. And we were like, "Oh, what about just Girl, Have you read?" Like have you read this? Have you read this author, have you read, you know, whatever it is, whatever Black love story it is.
Alexandra: And so, we just started a website like literally just on a whim started a website. People started submitting their books for us to share. We have an author directory for Black authors to add themselves to and let us know what genre they're in. So if people say, "Oh, I'm looking for a Black sci-fi book, they can go to those specific authors. We do some reviewing. Then we also share a list of new releases every week, which I think is the most important thing for people because going through Amazon is just trash. If you're looking for specifically Black romance it's really hard to find. So, we kind of narrow that down for people every week and there's people that say they don't ever go search for books anymore. They just go to Girl, Have You Read ... ? and look at the new release list and pick from that. And so, yeah, it's a labor of love for sure. But we really enjoy being able to give that to the people.
Kenrya: That's awesome. I'm wondering you now have more than 20 books under your belt. So you know a lot now, right? You know a lot about publishing?
Alexandra: I mean, I'm making it up.
Kenrya: It ain't a lot of folks out here who can say that they've written 20 books.
Alexandra: This is true. I'll give myself a little credit.
Kenrya: Yes. Well, we'll give you a lot. What did you wish you had known before you got started?
Alexandra: I wish I would have known that it's not about readers, which is a weird thing to say as an author. But it's not about what they want. It's about what you want to bring to the landscape. I think as you start writing more books, you can easily get caught up in what people want from you instead of writing what you want to write and what feels good to you and really staying true to your voice instead of getting caught up on the first one-star review that says, "Oh, no, this ain't it." Like really learning to push through that. So, I wish I would've known that you don't have to think like ... You just get what you want to give to the people and the people that want it, they'll take it. The people that don't want it, they'll keep moving and it just is what it is. But as long as you're happy with what you're putting out, that's the real goal.
Kenrya: Okay. Can't write for everybody.
Alexandra: You cannot. You cannot. And you will learn that fast. So if I would have known that before, I wouldn't have even thought anything of it when it first happened. But now I know.
Erica: Your tribe has found you.
Kenrya: That's how we about the show.
Kenrya: Oh, that too. Yeah. We feel like people who don't like cussing and cringe when they hear the word pussy ...
Erica: Fuck them.
Kenrya: They're probably in the wrong place.
Alexandra: Listen, If Only for the Summer, I will never ever forget get this. Somebody said, "Teachers and foul language don't mix." And I was like, "First of all-
Erica: How do you survive teaching if you don't use foul language?
Alexandra: That and then it's like these people are on summer break.
Kenrya: And they're humans and adults.
Alexandra: And, they're human and they're adults and they're not cussing in their classroom at children. And, you know what? If they were high schooler teachers, sometimes they do have to do that, but like what? And so it's stuff like that just reminds you that your work doesn't have to be for everybody.
Alexandra: You can do your own thing.
Erica: What are you most proud of in your career?
Alexandra: Oh. I think I'm most proud of carving out my own little space in this indie Black romance universe. There's so many great authors and great voices and I don't feel like I get lost in that. So, that's something to be proud of. As somebody from Nebraska, people sometimes act like they can point on Nebraska on a map and you know really being from there always, being true to that, and then coming into this whole other space and making a name myself. I'm really proud of that.
Kenrya: I'm wondering, and maybe the answer is you already did? But how will you know that you've made it? What will like true success, like I'm at the top of my game, what would that look like for you?
Alexandra: When somebody calls me to do a movie.
Alexandra: Then I'll be like, "Okay, you really did something with these words, sis." That'll be the moment.
Erica: It's going to happen. We going to claim it.
Erica: Because there is enough ... All these networks now? Come on, somebody got to grab one of these stories.
Alexandra: We're going to see. Somebody has to. It's too much, too much that they can do with it. Yeah.
Erica: I see BET Christmas movie on the ... What's? I'm sorry, I keep forgetting the name of the story. The one you just wrote.
Alexandra: Oh, Uncovered Truths?
Erica: Uncovered Truths, yeah. I can see that as a BET Christmas story.
Kenrya: Which we watch all of those movies.
Alexandra: That's what I'm saying. But it's got to be on somewhere they could have sex because I can't do Hallmark.
Erica: Yeah, no.
Kenrya: Yes, where they just cut away.
Erica: Yeah, waking up with the sheet around you.
Alexandra: We don't want to fade to Black. Yeah.
Erica: No. I want to see some skin.
Kenrya: You had a bra on.
Alexandra: Yeah. So, yeah, that will be the moment. But I don't feel like I haven't had success. I think every project comes with its own success. Like putting out a book is not easy and bring something to completion and actually putting out to the world, like there's a burst of success with that.
Kenrya: That's a very healthy attitude.
Erica: Okay, so, that Rona got us all cooped up in this house. So, share with us, what are you reading to keep your mind off of all the bullshit and decay going on out in the world?
Alexandra: So, I'm trying to think, what did I just download? Oh, Nicole Falls, who I have a series with, a sports-romance series with, she just put out a novella called A Good Luck Fuck. It's a St. Patrick's Day theme and she has like a whole series of holidays-
Kenrya: Oh, I saw that.
Erica: I was seeing those.
Kenrya: For Valentine's Day joint. A Christmas joint, yeah.
Alexandra: Yes. Yes. So that's the most recent thing that I downloaded and I want to get into. But when I'm writing it's hard for me to read and write at the same time.
Erica: We ask all authors about that. They're like, "Girl, what I shouldn't be doing is reading. I should be writing."
Alexandra: Yeah, yeah. It makes you feel guilty. But oftentimes, like if I'm feeling down about writing or whatever, I'll read something good and that'll just charge me right back up to get in my doc like, "Ooh, this made me want to write."
Erica: Good. Cool.
Kenrya: Yeah. What's next?
Erica: What are you working on? What [inaudible 00:22:20] you saying?
Alexandra: So, right now I'm working on, it kind of has a title, but I don't know if that's going to stay the title, so I won't even say it. It'll be a full-length project. It's about two people who they kind of work together. They both attend this gala and afterwards, they have hot office sex that ...
Erica: Oh, shit.
Alexandra: So ...
Erica: Oh, didn't know that that's where that was going. I was like ...
Alexandra: That's where that was going. So yeah, so that's what I'm working on right now and that will hopefully be out, with all this craziness going on, hopefully, sooner than later. But yeah, so that'll be out this spring, spring again.
Kenrya: And so, then where can people find you so that they know when it drops?
Alexandra: So everything is on my website actuallyitsalexandra.com. All my social media is variants of that because of character limits. But Instagram @itsactuallyalexandra. Twitter is __ActuallyAlex. Then Alexandra Warren-Author/Blogger on Facebook.
Kenrya: Thank you so much for coming on. I know it's a lot happening and we appreciate you.
Alexandra: Thank you, guys, for having for me. I appreciate coming on. Like I said, give me something else to think about because this shits some, oh, this is crazy. This is crazy.
Kenrya: We going to be all right.
Alexandra: Put it up there.
Alexandra: Because I have my concerns.
Kenrya: I should say that when working. Come fix you. They're not here. We going to be all right.
Alexandra: There we go.
Kenrya: There we go.
Alexandra: I believe you.
Kenrya: Well, thanks to everybody who is listening. We appreciate y'all too and we are always glad that you're here. Be safe and be well.
Erica: This episode was produced by us, Erica and Kenrya, and edited by B'Lystic. The theme song is from Brazy. We want to hear from you all. Send your book recommendations and all the burning sex and related questions you want us to answer to TheTurnOnPodcast@gmail.com. And please subscribe to this show on your favorite podcast app, follow us on Twitter at TheTurnOnPod, and Instagram at TheTurnOnPodcast. Find links to our books, transcripts, guest info, and other fun stuff at TheTurnOnPodcast.com. Remember, The Turn On is now a part of the Frolic Podcast Network. You can find more shows you'll love at Frolic.media/podcast. Thanks for joining us and we'll see you soon, holla.
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In this episode of The Turn On, Erica and Kenrya read an excerpt from "If Only for the Summer" by Alexandra Warren and talk about summer romances and doing too much too soon in relationships.
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Kenrya: Come here. Get off.
Erica: (Singing) Tell me more, tell me more...
Erica: (singing) Summer lovin, having a blast. Okay, see. I think I know, but I don't, anyway.
Kenrya: That's okay.
Erica: Welcome to this week's episode of The Turn On.
Kenrya: It's such a great movie. I mean it's-
Kenrya: Yeah. “Grease Two” is better. I like musicals.
Erica: I didn't... Okay.
Kenrya: Yeah. I seen it a whole bunch of times.
Erica: I don't even think I could tell you about “Grease.”
Kenrya: Oh really? It's so funny because my partner was like, "John Travolta was in ‘Grease’?" I was like, "Nigga, what?"
Erica: I knew that, but... Okay, yeah. Well maybe I'll watch “Grease” later today.
Kenrya: It's got its problems, but it's funny.
Erica: Well it's all problematic, right?
Kenrya: But there's an abortion situation. Yeah! Yeah!
Kenrya: Okay, watch it and then call me.
Erica: Oh my gosh. Okay. I'm going to figure out where I can watch “Grease.” Well, welcome to this week's episode of The Turn On. This week we are reading “If Only for the Summer,” which was published in 2017 by Alexandra Warren. So sit back, relax, get your wine, get your weed, get your whatever you need and enjoy.
Kenrya: “If Only for the Summer” by Alexandra Warren. The mention of how good the brownies were only caused him to slip away from me to grab one. And I couldn't help but toss the side eye his way. Even when he said, "Shit, you said they were good and now that you're back, my appetite is too." He tossed one into his mouth before grabbing another and making his way back to where I was standing. "I don't know Nova, you might've been lying." "I mean you taste way better than these brownies ever could." "Let me see," I said. My first thought to take the one from his hand, but a second much better thought came to mind as I dodged him once he had extended it my way and went for his mouth instead. The remnants of chocolate and combination with the liquor he consumed making me moan. "Nope, brownie still wins." He seemed amused as he fed me the brownie I just raved about watching me chew enthusiastically while insisting, "Now let me see."
Kenrya: And I wasn't sure what he meant until he dropped to his knees in front of me, knocking me just slightly off balance when he lifted one of my legs over his shoulder. Causing the hem of my dress to slip up toward my hips. Thankfully the window was there to support me even if that meant that my ass was exposed to anyone who could see that many floors up. Then again, the idea kind of turned me on as Guy inhaled my natural scent, like it was a bed of roses. Releasing a moan of satisfaction before he asked, "Panties really aren't your thing, huh?" I gnawed on my lip as I shook my head, no. Watching the way his lips turned upward in a greedy grin before he landed a kiss against my inner thigh. Then he went to the other to deliver a kiss just as teasing. His grip on the back of my leg tightening when he asked, "You with me?"
Kenrya: Of course I nodded yes, though once again, I didn't know what he exactly meant until he lifted the leg I was relying on for support and tossed it over his shoulder with ease so that I was completely straddling his face. And while I was initially worried about doing something clumsy, I felt completely balanced sitting in his hands with my back pressed against the window and my thighs resting on his shoulders. I knew were perfect for stuff like this. The first time I laid eyes on him. Chance encounters at the airport were now a thing of the past as his fingers dug into my ass when he delivered a full swipe with his tongue, following it up with quick flickers against my clit, as I sank deeper into the window with no place to go. No place to escape the way that he was making me feel.
Kenrya: And he took complete advantage of that. Licking faster and sucking harder. With every encouraging moan I released from up above until I felt like I was free falling into his hands. But he didn't let me fall. Forcing me to take on everything he was dishing out as he gripped me tighter and moaned with me in his mouth. Doubling down on his claims of me tasting better than those damn brownies. In fact, it seemed like a silly argument as he unleashed an attack with his tongue that had me trying to push off his shoulders with a newfound strength. Strength that meant absolutely nothing. And Guy, he encountered it with a stronghold of his own. And even when I gassed, "I can't." "You are," he growled. Easily recapturing the spot he had abandoned to speak. And since he wasn't giving me a choice, I quickly succumb to the sensation he was creating deep in my belly, continuing to ride the wave as he licked me clean through my orgasm.
Kenrya: Like the devil he was, he only grinned as he let me down onto my heels, catching me at the hip when I stumbled a little thanks to my weakened limbs. "Easy baby." He advised as if it wasn't his fault I suddenly had baby giraffe legs. And just when I thought he actually had my best interests at heart, he turned me around pressing my chest against the window as he grumbled. "I know you don't really think I'm done with you already, Nova." I honestly hadn't even gotten a chance to think about there being more. Too busy floating on top of the clouds to consider a next step. But when Guy pressed further against me, I discovered the exact reason why he wasn't done. My mouth watering as I thought about returning the favor. Instead of letting me taste him, he made me taste myself. Slipping a hand between my thighs to see just how wet he made me before slipping that same hand between my lips. And naturally I groaned as I suck my flavor from his fingers and Guy was close enough to whisper, "Good, ain't it?"
Kenrya: I nodded though an answer wasn't nearly as important as the feel of him taking me with one firm stroke from behind, pushing the strap of the already mangled dress I wore from my shoulder so that he could bite into it. And I couldn't figure out which pleasurable pain to focus on as he slammed into me again. My fingertips just enough leverage against the glass to meet his stroke as I struggled to balance on my heels. That's when I knew I was really a goner. The fact that I was willing to risk a sprained ankle or worse for this shit without a second thought because it felt that good. And it was clear I wasn't the only one going off the deep end as Guy wrapped an arm around my waist to keep me steady, growling against my ear, "Fuck girl, you feel too fucking good."
Kenrya: The only response he got was my panting moans as he continued to sex me senseless, somehow managing to get me out of my dress in the process. And while being completely nude, especially in front of a damn window, would have brought about a bout of insecurity in the past. I had never felt sexier with my breasts pressed against the glass and Guy's mouth hot against my neck as he gave me medal-worthy back shots. "You going to cum again for me, baby?" He asked so politely, would of thought he wasn't crashing into me at all. But when I didn't respond fast enough, he quickly returned to the aggressive demeanor I had a kink for.
Kenrya: Wrapping his hand around my neck when he grunted. "I know you heard me Nova, speak up." "I'm going to cum!" I shouted loud enough to wake Jackson up or the whole building. But saying it loud and proud, got me what I wanted as Guy linked his fingers with mine and did what he did best, giving me stroke so perfectly calculated that I was collapsing against the glass in no time. And Guy was only a few pumps behind me pulling out and stroking himself through his release as he came in thick white drops against the hardwood floor. "Oh, what a waste," I told him teasingly through my heavy breathing, his eyebrows shooting up once he realized the missed opportunity I was talking about. "Don't even trip sweetheart, there's plenty more where that came from." He replied with a wink as he took off toward the bathroom and cleaned himself up.
Erica: Okay, so welcome back. So let me give you a little bit of a synopsis of the story. I am not as good as Kenrya. I'm probably going to tell you all the secrets but. So Nova is a first grade teacher and her best friend calls her last day of school and is like, "Hey girl, what you doing? Come to Miami for the summer." Nova, being a first grade teacher got the summer off. She's like, "Eh, fuck it, why not?"
Erica: She's in a relationship with this dude David. He lives in Cali. He's a fuck boy, whatever.
Kenrya: The supposed actor.
Erica: Yeah, he's like a video hoe.
Erica: So on the other side is Nova's best friend, Kaylin's husband's best friend, Guy. Guy is also a teacher and little do we know Guy gets invited to Miami for the summer to stay in Nova-
Kenrya: It's like their guest house or something.
Erica: Yeah in their... They have a condo.
Erica: So Nova's best friend Kaylin and her husband Lamar.
Erica: He's like a basketball player, so they have a house in Miami but like a Miami condo. So they offer up the Miami condo for them. So it's a big condo. They both stay there and Guy also has a little son Jax who is just the cutest little kid. He's like, every time he says something that I think of like "Merry Christmas, Tiny Tim," or “Scrooge” or whatever. He's just a cute little kid. So the story is about the two of them and this kid that end up in the condo for the summer and their summer romance. It's a cute story. It's a very happy ever after story. I probably gave too much away right there.
Kenrya: No, I don't think you did.
Erica: It's a good story. And the one thing that I like about it, I don't like too much drama, intention and all that.
Kenrya: Yeah, it's gentle.
Erica: It's gentle. There are some parts where you're like, "Dude, what the fuck?" And then a character who's levelheaded comes in is like, "Dude, what the fuck?" And then they get it together. Yeah.
Kenrya: I hate when they make things way more complicated than they need to be in these fucking rom-coms.
Erica: Yeah and literally this story, it wasn't super long. And it wasn't super long because we cut out three chapters and somebody was like, "Dude, what the fuck?"
Kenrya: Exactly. It's the best man.
Erica: And it’s good healthy characters. The character Guy, he has a baby by this chick. They dated all through high school and college or maybe just through college. But anyway, they were college sweethearts. Ended up having a kid together. It didn't work out. They have a decent relationship. And so it was just good characters. A normal... Just nothing too crazy. And a really good fucking sex scene.
Erica: They ended up fucking...
Kenrya: That window.
Erica: In a window.
Erica: It was very Miami. So first-
Kenrya: That is very Miami.
Erica: First, let's just put it out there. I love Miami.
Kenrya: We had a long sordid history with Miami.
Erica: I have a long sordid history with Miami, but you know living in the DC area, Miami is one of those—you can easily get a quick ticket down there.
Kenrya: I'm going next month.
Kenrya: For my birthday.
Erica: Exactly. Just a quick ticket. Enjoy yourself, have some fun. And this is exactly what... And maybe that's why I love this story so much because it was just what... To me it was one of those like, "Ooh, I could totally see this happening." And so in the scene itself... So just a little background on the scene itself. Nova goes out. Well Nova and Guy finally seal the deal, decide like, "Oh we fuck, we like each other." "We going to test the waters." But then Guy's baby mama come to town and Nova starts feeling a certain way about it.
Erica: And so Nova is like, "You know what, I'm going to just go and go out by myself and have a single girls night out in Miami." So she goes out, comes back and while she's out Guy has a conversation with an adult that's like, "Nigga, what the fuck you like her." That kind of thing. Nova comes back and is like... Everyone has level heads like, "Really what the fuck?" So Nova gets back and Guy is like, "Bitch, I've been waiting on you all night." And so then they put it against the glass. And put her on a glass. Bust it open. (singing) And it is great.
Erica: It is good and sexy. It's total Miami condo. I remember we went to Miami one year.
Kenrya: And we stayed in those two joining condos. That place?
Kenrya: You remember we did that too?
Erica: This was a trip we took with one of our girlfriends and her... She was dating a guy whose family had a condo in Miami. And so it was very Miami Vice. You get up and the elevator open up. And so again. Yeah. It felt like that. But it was such a Miami scene and they had some good ass sex. And you know what I noticed about as we're reading, because you know we've been stocking up on books. Good oral sex is... Oral hygiene is very important.
Erica: And so he was doing it with his tongue to her clit and I... Y'all should see her face. I am very excited about it because I feel like we just... There's always so much focus on sucking a dick.
Erica: And yes we like rocking a mic but we always talk about sucking dick. And I feel it's so important to recognize that women like fellatio too. And-
Kenrya: Fellatio? Well yes. But yes.
Erica: It's cunnilingus, right? Yeah. Fellatio is when you're giving head. Cunnilingus is when your... Fellatio involves a penis. Cunnilingus involves a vagina. Okay, cunnilingus. So, we women, we appreciate a cunnilinguist.
Kenrya: Some of us, yes.
Erica: And it's just so nice. And also, it shows you where most women's heads are because as we read lots of women erotica, a lot of it does start out with you putting your lips on my clit.
Kenrya: Get it ready.
Erica: (singing) Get it wet.
Kenrya: I knew it was coming. I knew it was coming. Lobbed it to you.
Erica: Knocked it out of the park. So in the story, one of the things, like I said, it's a good story. I loved the story. The sex is great, all of that. But one of the things that as I was reading this was like... My spidey senses kind of fucked me up. So Guy has this kid Jax who is just absolutely adorable. Nova, to me, she jumps in a little quickly with the-
Kenrya: Mommy shit.
Erica: And I don't even think that she means to be mommy shit. But I think that women tend to... We tend to do too much way too soon.
Erica: And it worked out in this story. It was a happy ever after, but one of the things that I like about this is that it was written very convincingly and very not on some like, "Nova's getting dragged through the coals." Or not that Nova was just out being some sacrificial woman just doing all the work. But she definitely jumped in and started doing a lot for this man and this kid.
Kenrya: On some domestic shit, yeah.
Erica: Yeah. On some domestic shit and Guy was kind of like, "Oh okay, I guess, I'll go with it."
Kenrya: Right. Because why not?
Erica: Exactly. But I think that we got to chill with this shit, girls. We can't be doing too much too soon and not from a... Don't be nice to these nigga's, but just protect yourself. Just chill.
Kenrya: Protect your heart.
Erica: You don't have to do, do, do for everybody.
Erica: Just for the sake of making things easy or comforting.
Kenrya: Or because you think it's what you're supposed to do.
Kenrya: Not to say let that nigga earn it, but let that nigga earn it.
Erica: Yeah. Yeah. Now that I'm dating, one of my things is, I don't cook for niggas because I love to cook and it's natural for me. I turn into an old Black lady when people come into my house. I want to cook. I want to make sure you're eating, you're fed, that kind of thing. But also I have to remind myself that not everybody is deserving of it or appreciative of it and people take it for granted.
Kenrya: Yes, that's true. That's actually one of the things I love about my partner is that he don't let me cook when my kid's not home.
Kenrya: He be like, "You cook all week." "Let's go to breakfast."
Kenrya: Girl, listen.
Erica: Yeah, that's so nice. Well, as someone that lives downstairs, I appreciate it when y'all bring me-
Kenrya: We do. We bring you doggy bags.
Erica: When you bring me doggy bags. But have you played mama too soon in relationships?
Kenrya: I've only ever dated someone where it got to the point where I was around their kids once. Because remember my dating... I'm married so young and then I really only dated for the last couple of years. But there was someone who had a kid, a young kid.
Erica: Oh yeah.
Kenrya: And it wasn't often, but it was definitely like if we were together, that baby was on me, on my boobs going to sleep. Was walking around the house with me doing stuff. While this nigga is sleep on my couch.
Kenrya: And like, "What are we doing?"
Kenrya: What are we doing? Yeah. Why am I the one putting your baby to sleep? And I didn't mind because I loved her. But like...
Erica: Yeah, I'm definitely the Jordan meme of kids right now. Fuck them kids. Yeet! Yeah.
Kenrya: You know I banned the fucking kids from saying that around me.
Erica: Oh yeah. Sorry.
Kenrya: There's a few things and that's one of them that they can't... Ooopmh, Yeet.
Erica: Oh my God.
Kenrya: That, “Why did you eat my burrito?” thing.
Kenrya: Yeah. Oh good, you haven't had to hear it. It's terrible. It's like they recite TikToks and memes. That's like their conversation and so they're not allowed to do that around me anymore because I hate it.
Erica: Oh yeah thankfully I don't-
Erica: Y'all can tell that Kenrya does the school drop offs.
Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Erica: And not me.
Kenrya: It's not great.
Erica: But yeah, I think that I have definitely been in relationships where I'm with some guy and he's got a kid and then I ended up being a performative. Let me show you how good I am with your kid. It's just like, Oh...
Kenrya: Yes ma'am. That's what it comes down to, right? Yeah, I can do this. I can be your kid's mom. Look at how wonderful I am.
Kenrya: You should want me to be your wife. Fuck all of that.
Erica: No. I got some good pussy.
Kenrya: Want that?
Kenrya: I can let you hold that for a minute.
Kenrya: It's mine.
Kenrya: But you can hold it.
Erica: You can hold it for a little bit. Yeah, and I feel that also gets us into... It starts a slippery slope where you're-
Kenrya: Proving your worth.
Erica: And you're doing everything and you look up and you're like...
Kenrya: How did I get here?
Erica: Why am I doing this? I can't believe I'm doing this. Yeah, well you kind of set it up. And not saying that that's your fault, but.
Kenrya: Yes, because they have the option of not letting you be unhealthy, right?
Kenrya: But a lot of niggas is like, "Who does that?" Yeah. If you going to give it to me, I'm going to take it.
Erica: Exactly. And that shit is just a slippery slope. So I definitely have done it and making a huge... I'm very adamant in not doing it. Do I date men... I date men with kids. I do have a firm rule.
Kenrya: Yeah, number of kids.
Erica: Yeah. I don't date men with more than two children.
Erica: Because I have one child, you have two. So just logistically we can't-- We can't get nowhere together.
Erica: But even if you did have kids and I haven't gotten to the point where our kids were kicking it or anything like that. But, I ain't they mama!
Erica: And not to say that I don't have a maternal instinct. And I find myself having to intentionally dial it back. But we ain't going to turn this into something that is not.
Erica: And what is not is me being somebody...
Kenrya: Playing fucking house.
Erica: Yeah, yeah.
Kenrya: And they are playing house.
Erica: That's exactly what it is. Oh! Totally. In the story?
Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Erica: Yeah. Oh, they totally are playing house. And I think it feels good and it... Again it works out but it definitely is... Takes on more than just a summer romance because y'all got this little baby in here and you doing bath time and helping cook dinner and all that shit and it's like no my nigga.
Kenrya: No, and this her summer. And she surrounded by fucking kids all year.
Kenrya: Hell nah.
Erica: Again, the story is... I don't want to make it seem it's not a great story-
Kenrya: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Erica: Because I actually... I finished it at four in the morning and sent Kenrya an email like, "This is so cute." "I loved it." But yeah, I am so selfish right now when it comes to dating that I would let you invite me to some house and some nigga there with a kid. I'll be like, "Bitch." "I'll holler at you later." Just because I'm so selfish when it comes to just my space and... Also, I have a firm, I ain't fucking with nobody's kids if I don't have my kid policy.
Kenrya: Yes you do. Yes you do.
Erica: I be missing out on baby showers and birthday parties because if it ain't my weekend with my kid, honey, y'all catch Auntie Erica later because Auntie Erica ain't being Auntie Erica when Auntie Erica don't have to be Auntie Erica.
Kenrya: That's a great boundary.
Erica: So, yeah. But I think that that's one of those things we have to think about. The other biggest thing about this story is that it's a summer romance.
Erica: It was a cute little summer love.
Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Erica: Do you have any notable summer loves or situational loves? I worked on a mayoral campaign and I used to always equate that to summer camp because you're-
Kenrya: Thrown together?
Erica: Yeah, you're thrown together and all these random relationships pop out and that kind of thing. But did you have any summer situational HUSA loves or anything like that?
Kenrya: There's been a few.
Erica: So Kenrya has her eyes closed. Kenrya grew up doing NAACP and student government. So there were definitely lots of situations that could have resulted in situations.
Kenrya: Yeah, I didn't engage in those things while I was in school, because I was always boo'd up. But then those people still be around once you grown and you out of school.
Erica: Uh-huh (affirmative). And they be like, "You was always with such and such."
Kenrya: Yeah. Ooh, remember that weekend, it was Easter and I-
Erica: Oh my God! Easter weekend, oh my God, that was a-
Kenrya: Oh it was the most debauched disgusting.
Erica: It was a horrible weekend with a-
Kenrya: Doing the walk of shame on Easter Sunday.
Erica: On Easter Sunday. Past the church. Yes. Coming out of the hotel, walking passed the church.
Kenrya: Yeah, yeah. It was, oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. [crosstalk 00:26:03].
Erica: Those Black college experiences.
Kenrya: Those are things that have happened. Most of mine are of the one night stand variety.
Erica: Yeah, I've been looking at you all this time. (singing)
Kenrya: Shit, including in Miami. Oh well that too. Yeah that happened, but.
Erica: Oh yeah, Miami. Oh lord. I'm sorry y'all, we going to stop with all the side situation.
Kenrya: Can we tell that story? Because it's both of us.
Erica: We told them when we was fucking in the elevator.
Kenrya: Oh, you was fucking in the elevator. I was fucking in the car.
Erica: Well I didn't fuck in the elevator, almost fucked in the elevator. We told that story.
Kenrya: I fucked in the car.
Erica: But yeah. But yeah, so I worked on campaigns and worked in a small offices, and so everybody becomes—it's like the unit and so you have little flings. And I definitely have had my fair share of them all. And I'm a Gemini, so I love you and be all on you. And then be like, "I'm good."
Kenrya: Enjoy love.
Erica: They be like, "What you say you said such and such?" “I'm good love, enjoy.” So yeah, I definitely have had some of my flings. I'm trying to think if any of them-
Kenrya: Turned into something?
Erica: Yeah, that's what I'm trying to think.
Kenrya: None of mine have. To the point where I've had to tell niggas to leave me alone because they kept trying to turn them into something.
Erica: You're like, no nigga.
Kenrya: No, that's definitely. No, I don't want to... "But you can have friends." No, I'm good.
Erica: Yeah, see I wasn't... I wish that I was smart enough. I don't want to say I was dumb, but I definitely was on some, "We can turn this fling into something." And then it just like, no bitch, it was never meant to be.
Erica: It was supposed to be just this very specific, doing it and being out. But yeah, I definitely have had my fair share of flings on campaigning small offices, small Black. So in D.C. most people either work for federal government or they work for firms.
Erica: Consulting firms or small firms. I guess you have the inbetweeners but that's been my case. Small Black firms and that kind of thing. Or in the government, which is like a little cult. And so yeah, I've had the summer flings come out of it. Ooh, I did have a good fun Miami... I remember I was... See, it's like a story, like this. Broke up with this dude. He was my college boyfriend. I'm like, "I don't know how I'm going to live." And my girlfriend who lived in Florida at the time, she lived in Orlando.
Kenrya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Erica: Called me and was like, "Come to Miami." And Orlando is three hours from Miami.
Kenrya: Right, bitch that ain't close.
Erica: And she was like, "There's a flight that leaves at noon." It was like 10 so I ran home, got a bag, got on the flight. Her ass was driving to meet me at the airport and we spent the entire weekend in Miami being whores. Whores. We showed up ain't have no bag. No, we had a bag. We had bags, we didn't have a hotel. We just figured it out. And you know what? And I feel so... Right now people be trying to go in on the young girls, that'd be like, "Oh, they came to All-Star Weekend." And you know. [crosstalk 00:29:54] Nigga, that's about having fun.
Kenrya: You here too, shut the fuck up.
Erica: Yeah. Let's just have fun. Protect yourself, wrap it up.
Kenrya: The shit that you can do when you're in your 20's and don't have no fucking responsibilities and can pop out.
Erica: Exactly, let's enjoy it.
Erica: It sucks. I feel it sucks now because social media makes it so much easier for everyone to see everyone take they Ls.
Kenrya: Because, wow, if there were cameras around.
Erica: Oh honey. I wouldn't be this upstanding citizen you know today, if cameras were around during my formative years.
Erica: But yeah, I feel we get so caught up in the, everything has to be perfect. Everyone has to be perfect that we forget that in your 20s you supposed to do dumb ass shit. Show up in a city with-
Kenrya: No hotel, no place to stay.
Erica: No hotel and figure this shit out. We figured it out. Granted we stayed in this hotel that was so nasty. We didn't want to step on the floor, but we had a good time.
Kenrya: You had a place to lay your head and you have fun.
Erica: Bitch ain't die. I got all my limbs and things, so that's good. That's good. Okay. So have you... I don't want to ask you, have you had sex in front of a plate glass window, but what's your wildest... "I can't believe we did it here."
Kenrya: Oh, well I don't have sex in a lot of places. I don't know. I think we talked about this. I had sex in the botanical garden once.
Erica: Oh yeah.
Kenrya: Which was fun.
Erica: The U.S. Botanical Garden? The national-
Erica: Let's not make it seem like you were at the Boise state fair, no. This bitch was fucking behind that rotted plant thing.
Kenrya: Yeah. Yeah.
Kenrya: That was fun. I've also had sex in my car in a lot of different places and in various vehicles. In very heavily trafficked areas where if somebody had just looked to they right.
Erica: Yeah. Yeah.
Kenrya: Bathroom's. Shit, it don't matter. A lot of places.
Kenrya: What about you? Yeah. I think I went over all my good places.
Kenrya: Girl I was in one of the restaurants where you had sex in the bathroom and had to go pee and I was like, this bitch was fucking in here.
Erica: I did! I'm like which restaurant? Oh yeah! Bens! Shout out. Sure you're right. Yeah, I do it when. Part of it is just the list. Do it-
Kenrya: Right now.
Erica: Right now.
Kenrya: Let's get it.
Erica: But in this scene, the kid was in the other room so that is scary. Have you ever been walked in on by your kid?
Kenrya: No because I know how to lock fucking doors.
Kenrya: But I have been interrupted multiple times.
Erica: By the kids?
Kenrya: Oh God.
Erica: This is a point of pain.
Kenrya: Yeah. It's at the point now where my kid has a board where she has to do certain things and she gets money for them.
Erica: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Kenrya: And one of those things is to stay her ass in the bed all night. If she can do that she get 50 cents. That's the highest ticket item on her board, because I'm tired of being in the middle of fucking and hearing, "Mama?"
Erica: I am convinced that your kid knows that you have somebody in your house.
Kenrya: He is too because it's like... So a lot of times we try to wait because she come around the same time so we try to wait her out and then have sex after so we don't get caught in the middle.
Kenrya: But more times than I can count, I have had to pop up and throw on a robe and answer the door and try to keep my legs closed.
Kenrya: Yeah, it's not great. Not great at all.
Erica: Thankfully I haven't had... The part of the thing is I don't have a for real man boo so it's not like I have a-
Kenrya: Like you're regularly having sex in your house?
Erica: Yeah, I can schedule. I usually am able to schedule it around that kind of thing.
Kenrya: Yeah. See if I do that, I only get four days out the month that I get to have sex and that's not it.
Erica: Yeah, and then I have a more, a bigger schedule than you. And again, I don't have a man boo, so four days out of the month is just enough for me. Yeah. Thankfully I haven't had any close calls with my kid yet. But shit, it's just a matter of time, right?
Kenrya: The good thing is that your kid is older and I don't know, I think that helps. And I think y'all are right that my kid is like, "She having fun."
Kenrya: Something's happening in there.
Erica: And they also... The way this house is set up versus my old house. My old house was perfect because kid was on one completely different side of the house for me. I can have visitors in and out and he wouldn't-
Kenrya: And he wouldn't even know somebody was coming in at the house.
Erica: But now our bedroom doors are literally right across from each other. So it just makes it-
Kenrya: Tough for you, for sure.
Erica: It makes it tough but thankfully I haven't had any... I haven't been caught by... Not by my kid. I've definitely been caught by friends and shit.
Kenrya: Shit, the first time you had sex somebody walked in. Poor thing.
Erica: Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed.
Kenrya: Poor thing.
Erica: But yeah [inaudible 00:35:36].
Kenrya: I don't think I've ever been walked in on though.
Erica: You haven't?
Kenrya: I don't think so.
Erica: Yeah. I've been walked in on.
Erica: I've definitely been walked in.
Kenrya: I'm good at locking doors.
Erica: But sometimes you just get so caught up on it, you just don't want to-
Kenrya: Lock a door?
Erica: Yeah. You just keep your doors close or go in the house, that kind of thing.
Kenrya: I've never done that.
Erica: Yeah, I've definitely have been walked in on but most of the time it's like, "We adults so you can keep it moving." So, yeah. All righty. Well, in the spirit of keeping it moving, I think that's all I've got.
Erica: Alrighty, well this is your favorite hoes, Erica and Kenrya. Two hoes, making it clap.
Kenrya: Making it clap.
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